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R17
From: wellington
Since: May 2013
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What I learned this year

Well... my second year managing/directing/producing and editing a 48hours film... I must say, despite our vehicle crapping itself just before the launch and our editor coming down with a debilitating vomiting bug on Saturday morning, it felt fairly relaxed this year!

Once again i learnt alot!:

1. Flying back from Auckland for an ETA in Wellington at 6.35pm Friday is VERY stressful! especially when you learn that the only person with keys to get into the team base has just blown up the car and is stranded on the way to picking up half the team AND the editing computer...

2. make sure you have more than one vehicle and driver available at any one time :D

3. Underwater cameras are AWESOME!

4. Don't let your cinematographer talk you into letting him not use a tripod for a single shot... Tripod = good.

5. Editing film is like riding a bike... first time back, you fall off and break your arm and from then on it is fine... It is good to know I can still do it myself if I don't have an editor :D

6. Sound off the camera (Canon 7D is INFINITELY better than off a cheap external mic (OMG the HUM!)

7. A good computer makes all the difference - whilst not perfect, Our film is way cleaner and more professional looking than last time. I could actually watch our film pre-render this year - that makes editing SO much easier! The render took 20mins instead of 3 hours :D

8. Getting up at 7am Sunday not 5am to continue editing actually ended up more productive than getting up at 5am (based on last year)

9. Experience helps! 80% of the team this year was in the team last year so I didn't have to answer endless questions about the competition!

10. Alcohol and spa pool on Friday evening makes for a very tired team come Saturday morning...

11. Facebook is a great way to organise your team... except for that one person who refuses to sign up for facebook... grrr....

We had so much fun this year :D

What did you guys learn?

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R17
From: wellington
Since: May 2013
Posts: 179

in reply to DylanReeve:

It's tricky - the Rode VideoMic series is good, but ultimately it suffers from the same problem as the on-board mic (although less handling noise) which is that it's too far from the sound.

The key to clean dialogue is getting the mic as close as possible to the person speaking. You can get a VideoMic and tape it too a broomstick, then use a 3.5mm audio extension lead to run it to the camera, but those cables aren't designed for distance, so there's a good chance of introducing noise.

The ideal is either a stand-alone recorder paired with a decent XLR mic, or a camera adapter paired with even a cheap but quality XLR mic.

Thank you :D

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debzk
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 29

We got musical which I kinda wanted as we had an awesome musician on our team - there's no way our movie did her talents justice...hoping that the sound levels are OK at screening...

We had an absolute ball...only thing I think I should have done this year differently is to render off and watch the movie in a different space before the final tightening up of the edit. especially for the sound levels.

Other than that I think we did all we could do with musical...in the time we had...so lucky to have such a great team behind me, still singing :)

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 655

in reply to DylanReeve:

the Rode VideoMic series is good

I have a Stereo VideoMic Pro and it is better than onboard, but it's also yet another thing that you need to keep fed and watered so ultimately I don't use it that often. But it did come with a free copy of PluralEyes, which is brilliant.

What I usually use for 48hours is a Sennheiser something-or-other shotgun mic plugged into a Zoom H4n. What I used this time was an AudioTechnica 2035 into a Zoom H4n, as I recorded all my audio off camera this year.

In retrospect I may have been better off with the Sennheiser even off screen, as the singing was right on the limit of what the microphone can handle but we'll see how it sounds in the theatre.

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clang
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 197

One-person teams are too small. Too much work, and too many limitations (some of them in turn creating further work).

Ok, I have twice finished one-person 48 Hrs films, and the results were at least watchable, but for the last two years I've crashed and burned. So this was my final year, unless I can join/start a Wellington animation team next year.

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bona92
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 6

in reply to R17:

4. Don't let your cinematographer talk you into letting him not use a tripod for a single shot... Tripod = good.

Depends on the situation and how good he/she is with the camera. I've worked with cameramen who handheld their cameras for shots and their footage looked amazing.

11. Facebook is a great way to organise your team... except for that one person who refuses to sign up for facebook... grrr....

Not everyone like social media. I know a lot of people who don't have Facebook and I can understand why. I don't like using FB myself but I use it because a lot my friends and family are overseas, they're all on it, and choosing it as a method to keep in touch.

Some of the things we learned this time around:
- Shooting a pool game scene is a continuity nightmare (we already knew this, but somehow ended up shooting it anyway)
- I'd need to bring an apple box if I'm to do camera operating again in the future
- When shooting a daytime scene at night, make sure that it's not just the window that is lit, either close the blinds on the skylight or light the roof too. LOL.

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Scotty
From: Te puke
Since: Mar 2012
Posts: 133

in reply to Josh Howard:

Hi Josh

Pongakawa Film and media here. The kids had an awesome weekend. Our one has heaps of bits not right but the kids had a ball. How do you supervise 4 teams!!!! I actually thought about two one Yr 7/8 and a Yr 5/6 but just too hard with just two adults and young kids.!! I think the clue might be lots of practise before hand and adults just around in case it starts to fall apart. However sounds like you have got it nailed. 4school teams I am in AWE of you!:))

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Dan Bain
From: Christchurch
Since: Jun 2011
Posts: 13

For the first time we made a film with extras.
The logistics of dealing with this and their understandably limited availability didn't fit with how we usually make our film.
Needed to plan that a little better.

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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 544

in reply to Dan Bain:

For the first time we made a film with extras.
The logistics of dealing with this and their understandably limited availability didn't fit with how we usually make our film.

I always feel incredibly conscious of how we're wasting our extras' time in those situations. For anyone who isn't directly involved in the film in some way I always feel bad making them wait - and despite our best intentions, we always end up running late.

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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 400

I actually learnt a good thing - the noise removal feature on audacity worked surprisingly well.

All the bad things I already knew, and will inevitably cringe at in the theatre.

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to IctusMortem:

and will inevitably cringe at in the theatre

Love it Ictus! Feel free to take some comfort from the likelihood that others will cringe along in support with you.
Good to see some of the previous years names back in the forum now ... we must be the more mature participants who haven't figured out how to tweet or twerk as yet. I was looking through the Wellington heat list last night and only found about 53 teams from 2013 or before, so I'm expecting great things that that bunch.

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bexxgirl
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 41

in reply to Meatloaf:

I think a few people have formed slightly different teams with different names, but are the same competitors from the past years - that was the case with us and at least two others I know of.

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to bexxgirl:

Yeah, there is that. Modified teams, new name, experienced 48ers, different dynamics. Still, looks like there are a sizeable number of newbies, then again I've never really examined this aspect in previous years. Cheers.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1353

I'm a touch confused about Moffialade. They weren't on the team list, yet I saw them on the blog. Have they merged?
I merged with Nimlin this year and it worked really well.
Loads of hands went up at the Wellington launch for first timers, I'd guess 30%.

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bexxgirl
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 41

in reply to dramamike:

I'm not sure - I saw them at the launch too, but I didn't see their name on the genre number list and they're still not on the heat list. I would be very surprised if they'd pulled out/gone MIA!

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Taunise
From: Auckland
Since: May 2011
Posts: 365

in reply to bexxgirl:

I saw a lot of faces at the Auckland launch from people who I know to be in teams that weren't listed.

So I guess there must be a bit of merging...or maybe just spectating?

I'm sure I saw some people from Sinistral at the finish lines and I definitely saw Peter Haynes but no Sinistral or Haynesfilm listed.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1353

in reply to bexxgirl:

Perhaps they have split into two teams or felt like going under cover...

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weasel
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 14

From using a cheap audiotechnica mic attached to the camera in previous years, this year I used a videmic (basic range) attached to a boompole with a 25m 3.5mm extension cable connected to my 60d with ML.
I was concerned about noise and hum using the extension cable but we turned off phones, routers, televisions, microwaves and made sure the 3.5mm input was taped into it's socked the sound came out crystal clear with very little hum (apart from the one scene where we didn't have it turned on).

Use of one location made things extremely simple, we were able to start filming at 4.30pm on Saturday, finish at 12pm and I had a rough edit complete by 7am, reshoots at 12pm (after a sleep) and a final edit together with some grading and had the choice of three renders when I left to hand in at 6pm

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korohthegeek
From: Auckland
Since: Mar 2014
Posts: 12

Don't rely on public to be so helpful. Even with all the obvious gear we had and characters set up, we started to think we were cursed by Public.
eg. Found a perfect run down building that suited our shot. Could have easily jumped the <1m wire fence, in fact could have filmed over and through the fence while the actors sat on the stairs. Thought the proper thing would be to ask the house around the corner, which did in fact own the property we wanted to use. But it's not that obvious. In any case would need the release forms signed.
All I can say is they were absolute a.. holes. Suddenly having to go out in 5 minutes apparently.
Learnt lots of other cool stuff this year though that outweighed that and made our work flow quite smooth

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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 544

in reply to Taunise:

I'm sure I saw some people from Sinistral at the finish lines and I definitely saw Peter Haynes but no Sinistral or Haynesfilm listed.

Not sure about Sinistral, but I know Haynesfilm has a different name this year (sorry, can't remember what it is though).

I know a few other people were competing with different teams.

I'm especially sad that there was no Bald Faced Cheek this year :(

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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 400

in reply to Meatloaf:

Yeah, I'm sure they will, hahaha. I remember the worst year we ever had, the volume of clapping intensified louder than any of the other teams got when we stood up, I'm 90 percent sure it was a pity clap.

Interesting that there might be a bunch of team name changes this year. I thought once a team got themselves known they tended to stay with the same name...?

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