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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

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Ratty Crack Bride rules. Beyond 48 hours etc.

Maybe most people on the forum are entrants in the competition and it's difficult to get an honest or in depth critique or discussion. Maybe I am a 48 hours resistant outsider. I tuned in to the screening room to look at entrants for the last couple of years (this years winners not being accessible yet). There are only two films in the last two years that I remember as honestly watchable, the Grand Cheval child jumping movie from last year and the Ratty Crack Bride pencil animation from this year.

The Child Jumpers, I honestly cant say how it got though my defences, but it did. Ratty crack bride I think knows its medium, was unaffected by this bizzare time constraint (48 hours !@#$%^&*), and has no flaws that compromise the core idea. And the core idea is good. It feels like a really personal, well familiarized fantasy. And it takes itself fully seriously, whereas most other entrants don't.

What is this irritating thing about Independent NZ cinema (which 48 hours is part of) where we have to treat everything with at least a faint layer of self parody/mockery or allow possible resopnse in a commedic vein. As if serious film is dead. What a joke. I blame it all on those Flight of the Concord fuckers, Eagle vs.. ..and Taika W., but it must have it's roots deeper than that.

I think people can create a little universe for themselves anyhow and anywhere they like, fiddling away while Rome burns etc, but for every action there is a reaction or an effect. There will be some new film makers who may represent the new Vincent Wards, Roger Donaldsons, Peter Jacksons of tomorrow and the environment you guys have created with 48 hours will actually hold them back. So I think there is a responsibility towards the future.

I heard some guys talking about what lies beyond 48 hours. Some of you already have your answers to that. Others don't. In case this shockingly obvious thing has not been stated. Having 48 hours to conceive, develop and execute is a bizare and extreme constraint. It's almost a formula to produce a high volume of mediocre or seriously flawed films. All of which is fine if it's a lot of fun. But I seem to witness industry professionals who are involved, who simply want to validate this, rather than help explain the broader context - help people to find what lies beyond.

Anyone who thinks that the Make My Movie idea is what lies beyond is completely wrong. The idea of film making being popularized or democratized is alreaday a notion at least half realized. Can this really be cool or subversive anymore. No, just forget about that.

You need something to encourage really high quality short films that are not basically goomed by the NZFC or anyone else. Frankly, short films that are made as compliant promos to an individuals entry into the main stream NZ industry are not of high value in the big picture at all, unless by some accident they are totally amazing films.

In conclusion. Fuck democracy (in art and film). No two things are created equal. Yes we can have "structures in place" (modern vomit speak) that allow the infusion of new ideas into the established status quo, the slow morphing of the film industry and the product it creates. But I am convinced that the real leading edge of change is always embodied by artists, most of whom may not even be positively identified right now with film medium. And this is never recognized by the incumbents, who are always too busy excusing themselves and validating the way that things are right now.

For those of you who believe that this is all taken care of, that all is as it should be...I looked over the applications process to Creative New Zealand about a year ago and most of what I read was political stuff about the Treaty of Waitangi. Should an artist be left to navigate the depths or should they be scurrying around on the surface of life negotiating the modern political concerns. Only one possible answer for me.

And I really respected Ratty Crack Bride.
Hey is Francie Murray's daughter. Well done. Hope I catch up with you to chat about it.

Cheers,
Gregg.

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Craig Parkes
From: Auckland
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 135

Gregg - I think if you haven't seen ADHDMI's film 'Brothers' then you may be re-assessing your opinion a bit afterwards.

It's just been announced as a national finalist film, it's very well executed, it fits the rather strict rules of the competition, and still manages to very much be art that isn't a retread of something we've seen before in this competition.

My take-away from Brothers being a national finalist is that even if most people strive to make entertainment, rather than progress their experimentation within the medium, this doesn't exclude those who experiment within the medium from being successful in the competition if they execute well.

I guess your point of view may be that it's more desirable to create art with sincerity in short notice rather than attempt to manipulate people using tropes and tricks in order to entertain. That's not a bad point of view to have from the sidelines, because it is respectful to sincere expression over base entertainment. But I certainly think this years finals will have a strong combination of sincere expression and entertainment throughout many films.

I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts after you see all the finalists.

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to Craig Parkes:

Hey Craig,
I'm glad you dropped in. I'm a bit spent on all this now, but I have been writing a more orderly and accessible exposition. Sorry to those who may find that overexplicative. Like I think I said before, sometimes there is no right way to say a thing, at least not a way that will suit everybody.

So really looking forward to seeing those films. If the things I really hope for are already in play I will happily go back to sleep.

Uploading my speil now.
I headed it Milk Toast 1. A joke on Milquetoast, a really old cartoon character, bland and inocuous, whose name was a humorous misspelling of "milk toast"

Cheers, Gregg

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

Milk Toast 1
(milk toast = Milquetoast, bland and ineffectual)

Having ranted while throwing myself on the sacrificial fire in the first instance, I'm trying to adopt a less extreme and more orderly exposition. Probably broken into parts. So In the spirit of offering some thoughts and making clear one's opinions.


48 Hours is OK. (it's all about the fun)

I think 48 hours as a thing in itself fine. The idea of making films just for fun is fine. I love the idea of fun. One of my dear friends, Graeme Cairns (Clan McGillicuddy etc) basically initiated a whole indie NZ counterculture founded on "funism" in the 80s. I love that fact.. I have great respect for fun. The 48 hours should absolutely keep the fun.

We all know what fun is yes, sure. The simple shared fun, the buzz of being part of the contest is really visible. Looking further, there is fun of as many different kinds as there are types of people. Kids, first timers and thrill seekers on the roller coaster. Film and TV professionals enjoying a weekend freak out. The fun of intellectuals / artists or anybody in fact who may latently have a really interesting film in them and this is the only chance they get to express some movement towards that. And obscured within all this fun, maybe one or two great artists in waiting. Obscured as in lost.

The overwhelming modern tendency towards the objective, the particular..... category and genre. Somehow this makes me nervous. Those one or two great artists to be may be the ones who make the truly great film that completely transcends all these notional boundaries. So to me they (the artists) are priceless. But as a semi outsider looking in, watching a few films in the screening room and sensing the pulse in the forum, I don't sense how to find them And quite disturbingly for me, I'm not sure if the vocal minority in the forum actually respects them.

To those that believe it's just a contest and we don't need to think about all this. 48 hours is the de facto incubator for film makers in this country. It enables some amazing things. Francie et al (Ratty CB) may be just one or two steps away from making a film as potent as A Scanner Darkly. No bull! But is them squeezing through a fluke? And I’m not really talking about the rules or the contest “model”. That can all change quite automatically according to how people think.

BTW, is Ratty Crack Bride going to be the de facto winner of this contest? Maybe you need something like a "hand of god rule" where Ant or someone pardons their rule infraction.

PS. I wish I had already developed some references to Child Jumpers so I could include them. But I hope to


Constraints...Boundaries...Flaws

Re-stating from elsewhere. With such a tight constraint as 48 hours to work, I think great ideas with more bold or original form are the most rewarding and productive way. Beating your heads against a brick wall trying to execute normal photo-realistic narratives with high production values is just begging for a result with significant flaws..

If we watch a film in the cinema, if our attention was held unbroken for the duration, maybe we just saw a good film. Sometimes when our attention is captured by flaws our experience, our viewing, is no longer innocent. It's sort of delaminated, suddenly some more objective stream takes root in our head. I wonder if this is actually more significant for short films. Everything happens so quickly in how the viewer develops his receptivity (or not) to the film.

Seemingly contradictory. Watching the amazing Dune by D. Lynch and suddenly the shots of clambering onto the sandworm happened. For me a jarring discontinuity. Did he run out of money or something else? A lesser film and I probably would have walked. But I was already totally immersed, so I sort of ignored it. Only to think about it later, and it did qualify the way I thought about Dune and D Lynch.

So maybe we all agree that flaws are bad, or something we would all avoid, the Third Wheel being a happy unusual case. But it looks clear that the majority of 48 film makers are making strategic decisions that cause flaws to be probable, or in some cases inevitable. For the first order funists who have already unconsciously accepted that, no problem at all. But lets remind ourselves that this is a contest and a large number of folk are actually very competitive seeming, even while larking around or being silly. To win there has to be some kind of common idealized thing that you hold up.

Or not. If simple funism did rule then the winning categories might read like

- Most fun film to watch.
- Most fun film to make.
- Best Director (the most fun to work with)
- Least agonizing data management.

If the contest is about busting ones balls to make films with high "production values", and if we accept that through the strata of skill levels, flaws or cock ups are
probable or inevitable....I mean if it is sort of like production jazzercise, then the winning categories might read

- Most mini jib moves without flaws.
- Most focus pulls without flaws
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Sort of momentarily out of time now. Parenthood, getting wood and so forth.
Sorry to Graeme Cairns for misappropriating the word “funism”, or if someone else thinks they deserve the credit.

Cheers, Gregg.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

So verbose.
My mind wanders and can't handle anything that requires me to scroll.
Could you provide a synopsis of the above for those without the attention span please?

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to Craig Parkes:

<quote>I guess your point of view may be that it's more desirable to create art with sincerity in short notice rather than attempt to manipulate people using tropes and tricks in order to entertain. quote>

I wasn't quick enough to collect my thoughts last time. Yes, you have it exactly. This is one piece of my point of view. That's a very succinct way to put it. Unfortunately, if I had turned up and in the first instance and just said that, it would have gone un-noticed. Hopefully not now.

Cheers, Gregg

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to dramamike:

So verbose.
My mind wanders and can't handle anything that requires me to scroll.
Could you provide a synopsis of the above for those without the attention span please?

You "child of Twitter" you. Just read Craig's post, a small parragraph near the bottom and you have most of it.

Cheers, Gregg.
PS. What would it take, more jokes?

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toowit toowoo
From: Dunedin
Since: May 2011
Posts: 113

in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

PS. What would it take, more jokes?

More totally old fasioned pop-culture references please! I got a real kick out of milquetoast, and I had actually already heard of it thanks to the Back to the Future (B^F) novelisation.

Y'know, we have the graduate massacre award, and the images sexy short award, and I know it's hard to give out so many awards for everything, but I think a best serious film award would be quite a wonderful thing. Something to recognise films like Carousel, or Glow, or Laputa.

Just a thought.

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to dramamike:

So verbose.
My mind wanders and can't handle anything that requires me to scroll.
Could you provide a synopsis of the above for those without the attention span please?

Hey Drama Mike,

I tried to capture the ideas from that post in seed form. Approaching it with a sense of humor, but still trying. Art being short for "artistic creativity in films". Something like this, unfinished.


Fun is good. Art is precious. Fun should enable art. Art does not compromise fun. Objectivity infers boundaries. Category and genre are boundaries. This is modern and inevitable. Art can challenge that. 48 Hours is an incubator...........

Flaws are bad. Slick photo-realistic narratives are difficult. This leads to flaws. More original forms may be easier. Early strategic choices are critical.........etc


If this doesn't make it easier or more fun, just stick with what Craig wrote. He wrote that just before I uploaded my "verbose" post, so it's not a summary. But very useful.

Cheerfully, Gregg

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Craig Parkes
From: Auckland
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 135

Gregg it's interesting, because I think the art side can evolve from either directions. I would say that this year there was more 'art' in the Auckland finals than in previous years, and that some of those films have evolved from 48Hours contestants that strive to create more challenging films first, and entertain second (ADHDMi kind of falls into this camp, and in fact this year have succeeded via dropping the pretense of entertaining to create more provocative art) while other films such as The Downlow Concept's Seed is more of a case of a more artful film coinciding with their normal comedic stylings... How well an individual film sticks the landing when going down either road is, I think, up to personal taste, but you can approach entertainment from an artistic perspective, and an artistic work can also be entertaining, so it's hard to draw a clear line of delineation, and for whatever reason harder this years than others. But I also think you can succeed, up to National finals level certainly, with a film that is purely artistically driven, if it is executed well enough. There aren't many cases of that though, so one wonders if it's through a lack of attempt, or simply because it's HARDER to execute compelling sincere art?

Either way, as an incubator, I would categorically claim that V48HOURS has enabled artists and created a venue for displaying their works, as well as enabled entertainers and creating a venue for displaying their works. It has also enabled a lot of fun for a lot of people who would otherwise make no claim to be artists or entertainers.

You may rail against the attempted perfection of slick photo realistic narratives, as they inevitably lead to flaws that might not be so obvious in more abstract less narrative work. I would disagree that this is the case.

I would argue that while good art might be discovered through processes which are flawed, if the end result leads to a work that appears flawed to its audience then the artist has almost certainly failed to deliver a work that is complete.

Such incomplete, unfinished art may provide a good insight into an artist, but the fact that a work is unfinished causes it to no longer be viewable as art at all in my mind. Abandoned incomplete works are not art, just practice.

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Darryn
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 128

Just a couple of very random and vague points.


Some comment was made about Peter Jackson getting his start with horror movies. I thought he got his first exposure doing a short film competition run by the SPOT ON TV series. That would not be too different from entering V48 and getting some TV coverage.

And, what is the point in arguing about taste or what should/should not be made? Even the cheapest consumer electronics seem to have cameras now, the cheapest PC can edit, and you can show the world your labours 24/7 on YouTube. The gate keepers to self expression or artistic cinema are at an all time low. Some of it might align with your tastes and values, and a lot of it will not.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1367

in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to Craig Parkes:

More totally old fasioned pop-culture references please! I got a real kick out of milquetoast, and I had actually already heard of it thanks to the Back to the Future (B^F) novelisation.
Y'know, we have the graduate massacre award, and the images sexy short award, and I know it's hard to give out so many awards for everything, but I think a best serious film award would be quite a wonderful thing. Something to recognise films like Carousel, or Glow, or Laputa.
Just a thought.

I'm glad someone enjoyed the Milk Toast joke. My joke mirrors the way that I came apon it, hearing "milk toast" in conversation and initially assuming it was a direct reference to bland food. I don't have a lot of those amusing references in me, but I do have a lot of odd anecdotes comming to mind. Maybe save that for a book or a film.

I was just thinking, after reading Craig, that the 48 hours contest in a sense is like a struggle of wills between different versions of what a great film might be. In some ways that is unrealistic, maybe. Why not let all those points of view be winners. Tweaking the award "model" could do that.

Are Carousel, Glow, Laputa titles from 48 Hours? I'll have a look. I know Studio Chibli's animated feature Laputa. I love all their stuff to bits.

Cheers, Gregg.

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mikedensem
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 346

in reply to Craig Parkes:

so one wonders if it's through a lack of attempt, or simply because it's HARDER to execute compelling sincere art

True artistic expression is mostly the result of time spent in refining, contemplating, and ‘feeling’ your way through a work. The 48Hours criteria is the worst recipe for enabling this process.
I believe the philosophy at the heart of Gregg’s argument is incompatible with 48Hours. Aside from a stroke of pure luck, a film in this competition is never going to produce the aesthetic that is required to be considered art. I would suggest the two are actually mutually exclusive.

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to Craig Parkes:

Gregg it's interesting, because I think the art side can evolve from either directions

I actually think we are substantially in sympathy with our views. The parts that look divergent are interesting. I'll try and come back to it, writing as concisely as pos so that Drama Mike does not fall asleep.

If you are right and there is a shift in the air regarding the apearance of more films expressing "art" in the contest....then I think it's been on the bubble for a while. I remember squawking about these "art in film' issues over a year ago and getting in a shit storm then (flame war, blame war).
http://www.headstrong.co.nz/forum/index.php?showtopic=4513&st=0&p=61833&#entry61833

So... later,
Did you make a baby yet?

Cheers, Gregg.
PS. Darren, I made some notes, I'll come back.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1367

in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

writing as concisely as pos so that Drama Mike does not fall asleep.

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to Peter Haynes:

You want more sincere films? Well, thats great, but my first question is, who defines what's sincere or not?

Peter,
That answer is fairly easy, at least without me thinking about it. Likely it's the audience. I didn't have enough energy to respond on a direct level to your post (I was drained). There may be faster ways to move forward.

I just saw your film Blackout in the Screening Room and posted a comment there. Pasting it here. Blackout may be a good reference for the ideas in play in this thread

Blackout (Screening Room Comment)

Congratulations on choosing a serious theme....played straight. Shooting everything as if through the lap top cameras. A clever use of form to add boundaries that makes the idea more achievable. (insert my pet rant that flaws can make a film unwatchable by the innocent).

I think of that basic formal choice like a premise (the language guys can shoot me). Some things then feel possible, others inevitable. The story recedes a bit and mostly my attention was on the character qualities, like a tone. The deliberately constrained form puts huge pressure on the two leads. I sort of wanted to jump out of form and glimpse their internal states, or glimpse tiny, expressive, external details. But I think that is a story that needs more than 48 Hours to tell.

Within the 48 Hour micro-sphere, a fantastic and well oriented effort, a very good result. Out in the big world, with Blackout trying to climb onto the big boys platform (being watched by a completely innocent festival audience).......I almost believed.

And I say these nice things even though I didn't really "enjoy" it. I mean, end of the world man,, what's to enjoy?

(snip)
Cheers, Gregg
(snip).

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toowit toowoo
From: Dunedin
Since: May 2011
Posts: 113

in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

Are Carousel, Glow, Laputa titles from 48 Hours?

Glow is in the grand final this year, well worth checking out.

Carousel, the grand final in 2010.

http://www.v48hours.co.nz/screening-room/2010/auckland/carousel/

Laputa didn't make the finals in 2011, but it did win an award!

http://www.v48hours.co.nz/screening-room/2011/auckland/laputa/

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to toowit toowoo:

Glow is in the grand final this year, well worth checking out.
Carousel, the grand final in 2010.
Laputa didn't make the finals in 2011, but it did win an award!
toowit toowoo

I hadn't looked for those yet, so thanks. I remember Laputa now from Gullivers Travels. Recently read a quite old printing of that.

John Calder. Priceless. I remember that wiry little fellow from the Alternative Cinema days, the old house on Hobson St that was "ground zero" for the Indie scene. Chris Barret et al. John was famous for flying a lux liquid bottle (as a space ship) across the big screen in something like a super 8 Star Wars parody. This was back when parody was a bit easier to understand.

I can't fully remember Johns Star Wars movie, but I'm thinking, with Laputa, John hasn't changed much. Actually I didn't follow much what was happening, just had fun looking around. Favorite imag(es). the lead girl against a green screen.

I'll have a look at the others.

Cheers, Gregg.

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nzmick
From: Queenstown
Since: May 2011
Posts: 25

in reply to Gregg MacPherson:

Winner of the smarmiest comment in the screening room. Clown.

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Gregg MacPherson
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 232

in reply to nzmick:

Winner of the smarmiest comment in the screening room. Clown

Gosh. Try to say something positive about a guys movie and be halfway honest and look what happens. Actually, with the films I have seen there, there are almost no comments. All I can remember are one or two very quick congratulatory messages.

Why don't you strap on a par (of balls) and actually say something.
You nonga.

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