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Mrs Grumbley
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2013
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No city sponsors/prizes?

Was there an announcement made about this? I'd love to know the rationale behind it - I'm guessing possibly that the smaller areas wouldn't have access to the same level or number of prizes from sponsors, so in the interests of fairness they were canned.

That's just my theory, though - it just struck me at the end of the Wellington final last night that one of the reasons it was all done and dusted so quickly was because there was no mention of prizes during the presentation of the awards. I've attended (not necessarily as a finalist!) the finals most years since 2006 and the prizes have not always been there, but it seemed they were increasing over the years, so it's odd for them to all be just cut off cold turkey, with no fanfare.

Does anyone have the inside scoop? And what are people's feelings about it?

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Riblet
Since: May 2015
Posts: 19

I'd guess, given the change to the smaller heats venue, plus the apparent lack of prizes - that budgets are much smaller this year (though I have no inside knowledge, and i'm sure there's a tonne of things that factor into stuff like venues). It's been kind of surprising, because it has felt like it's being getting bigger and better, and then this year seemed like a bit of a slump.

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Newsboy
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 66

The Wellington final definitely felt smaller this year with plenty of empty seats in the Embassy. The last finals I attended was 2012 and back then it was almost impossible to find a seat. This time they removed the "reserved" spots off the premium seats shortly before the event kicked off and people promptly moved into them from the side seats.

A lower ticket price and higher number of nominees would have gone a long way to fill those seats.

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CAPSLOCK
From: NZ
Since: Apr 2015
Posts: 16

Yes, the Wellington finals weren't well attended, unlike previous years. I also noted the lack of prizes and unfortunately all of our team had bought tickets before we realised that there were some comps. We had a good night though and saw some amazing films. I think they should have probably shown all of the films first, then the awarding of the minor prizes, so the viewers could appreciate the results.

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Riblet
Since: May 2015
Posts: 19

in reply to CAPSLOCK:

I think they should have probably shown all of the films first, then the awarding of the minor prizes, so the views could appreciate the results.

Totally agree. So many spoilers as well for films we were about to watch, and no sense of excitement or tension for the winners in the first batch of awards because the audience had no 'favourite' to root for.

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Mrs Grumbley
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 12

So was it the same in other centres? No prizes there, either?

And yes, it was a bit ghost-town at the Embassy this year. I bought my tickets as soon as they went on sale, because I always do and I like to support the event. So it was weird to feel like there wouldn't have been any competition for tickets, in the end!

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1367

Wellington did not feel the sponsors love much this year.
Loads of awards not presented, I assume due to the lack of sponsors.

Has the comp become stale because it is seen as the 'big' teams are the only ones who have a chance at the awards? Personally I don't buy into this, but I've heard it from a few quarters.

Happy to wrong about this next point, but I'm fairly sure numbers were down this year. Any ideas why?

Numbers were certainly down at the finals (as has been identified above).

Any ideas on how to bring back the numbers of teams and the sponsors?

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Mrs Grumbley
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 12

in reply to dramamike:

But I can't believe that ALL the various sponsors weren't keen this year - they were so varied! Prizes have come and gone over the years (for example, they started giving a prize for best actress the year after I last won.. CURSES!), but for it to be a wasteland across the board??

There has to be some reason for it, surely?

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1367

in reply to Mrs Grumbley:

I agree, there must be.

I remember 'Best Female Director' as another award.

I don't think all awards need to come with huge prizes, but I doubt anyone would complain about $50 or $100 from a company.

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TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
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in reply to dramamike:

I remember 'Best Female Director' as another award.

I vaguely recall hearing that WIFT were keen to sponsor an award, so that one was created for the purpose. And if so, then it's obviously a bit of a special case, and not a good example of what we're talking about here. Could be wrong though.

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Mista Teas
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to dramamike:

Happy to wrong about this next point, but I'm fairly sure numbers were down this year. Any ideas why?

I heard that they were. From my very sketchy memory an issue with timing of the weekend with the university population/some other event.

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48ssteam
Since: Jun 2015
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in reply to dramamike:

Wellington did not feel the sponsors love much this year.
Loads of awards not presented, I assume due to the lack of sponsors.

Has the comp become stale because it is seen as the 'big' teams are the only ones who have a chance at the awards? Personally I don't buy into this, but I've heard it from a few quarters.

Happy to wrong about this next point, but I'm fairly sure numbers were down this year. Any ideas why?

Numbers were certainly down at the finals (as has been identified above).

Any ideas on how to bring back the numbers of teams and the sponsors?

I don't want to believe it, but since I've started doing the competition, I think four years ago now, I've seen some films that should absolutely not have made finals. The only reason I can see they have is because of team reputation. I'm not saying it necessarily happens, but I became overly suspicious of the theory when Lens Flare won last year....

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Cardinal
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 182

It does feel like a bit of air has gone out of the competition this year, somehow. Just inevitable after this many years, though?

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Andrew Todd
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to 48ssteam:

I became overly suspicious of the theory when Lens Flare won last year....

...in a final voted on by international judges with no knowledge of the competition's history.

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Dean Hewison
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 14

The thing is, there wasn't even a shout-out to V / Rialto / Canon / Letterboxd in the Wellington finals. So is it a case of no sponsors, or is it a case of them being sorta forgotten?

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steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 334

Yeah that was surprising. I would have expected a bit more noted of the sponsors than the flash of sponsors at the very start...

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Mrs Grumbley
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 12

When I enquired about it, the response I got was simply "there were no city sponsors this year", and when I asked how come, the reply was "a number of reasons", and that was that.

I'm not trying to be a dick about it, and we weren't nominated for anything specifically, so it's not like I'm being mercenary, but now I just really want to know!

And nobody has yet replied to say whether it was the same in all city centres or just Wellington.

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AJ
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 399

in reply to Mrs Grumbley:

Christchurch, Dunedin, Hamilton nor Auckland have had their finals yet.

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Hurley89
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2015
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It is a shame that a competition that was so loved and was such a big part of the welly film scene is fading away.

The weekend is a huge amount of work, money, gear, time and passion just for a lucky few to be rewarded with a meer piece of paper and very the luckiest getting their entry fee refunded.

I think for the comp to remain big and popular they need to really up the incentive to enter and those who have worked so hard should have their efforts acknowledged. 5 years ago the main prize was huge and gave all teams something to strive for. Now it feels that even the national prize is a mystery and pales in comparison to what it once was.

How come with entry fees rising each year, the prizes have dropped or even stopped.

Hopefully the golden era of 48 Hours isn't over.

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daronjay
From: Auckland
Since: May 2015
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in reply to Hurley89:

It is a shame that a competition that was so loved and was such a big part of the welly film scene is fading away.

Well, considering there were nearly 300 entrants in Auckland alone this year, I think "fading away" might be a bit strong. Sponsors and prizes aren't really the point as far as I can see, more like icing on the cake.

I do hope the Auckland Finals don't suffer from any of the issues the Wellington Final seems to have had, and I'm sure Andrew will put together a great show in Christchurch.

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Mrs Grumbley
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 12

in reply to daronjay:

You're right, and I don't think anyone is saying that prizes are the point of entering. However, for a lot of people, the chance for their film to be screened and nominated for awards at the city finals is a big deal. It cannot be denied that in the pursuit of brevity, the awards were hurried, at best.

Prizes aside, the finals is a chance to acknowledge the achievements of the teams who succeeded in making it there. I think a lot of people felt that acknowledgement wasn't possible, with the way the night played out. And with the 200 empty seats, in an event that has previously been packed to the gunnels.

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