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sjpbaker
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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Stock Footage

I don't know if this question has been asked yet but are we able to use stock footage ie footage bought online through a royalty free company?

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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No. Definitely no. Do not do this.

No footage shot outside the weekend can be used. All that stock footage is from outside the weekend. It doesn't matter how it's licensed, even if you made it yourself, you cannot use it.

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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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The only definitive exception to this is VFX elements..

That means things like explosion elements and blood splatters, not background footage for a greenscreen comp.

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sjpbaker
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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Thanks for the clarification.

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BigRay
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2013
Posts: 40

A question related to this...one of tonight's Christchurch finalists #apocalypse2k15 opened with shots of Paris and London. What did the team do here to ensure they stayed in the rules for footage? Perhaps it was a royalty free still shot? I didn't catch the credits properly to see.

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AJ
From: Christchurch
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in reply to BigRay:

Hey Big Ray. We had a few team members who were actually holidaying in various places all around the world and we sent them messages asking if they could get some desolate shots for us.

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BigRay
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in reply to AJ:

Ha, nice work...I bet those that were gutted they couldn't be a part of it because they were away were stoked that they then could!

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Newsboy
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
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I'd love to see a second 48 hour comp where the whole idea is to create content that can be used by other teams during the main comp.

2007: Solitaire
2008: F*Dance (National winner)
2009: Mime and Punishment
2010: Art
2011: Nubbin' But Trouble
2012: FETUS 5000
2013: Fist Cop
2014: Man Day
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2016: DICKS
2017: Cameo'd in 11 films.
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Most films linked above are the tidied up Director's cuts. Not indicative of what was handed in
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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 664

in reply to Newsboy:

That's a really interesting idea.

So they'd register their location, and maybe suggest some shots they'd get (big obvious shots with like Eiffel tower in the distance, London eye, empty desert, snowy wilderness, tropical beach, or whatever makes sense wherever they are), then on the Friday night/Sat morning teams would send any requests for other shots, then everything would be uploaded for all teams to use at will (either CC-BY, or just with a credit agreed to for use in the comp).

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Newsboy
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
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You could definitely take it that way as well!

I was originally thinking more along the lines of fake TVshows/commercials/radio announcements/songs. That kind of thing. Could make a fun mini-comp.

2007: Solitaire
2008: F*Dance (National winner)
2009: Mime and Punishment
2010: Art
2011: Nubbin' But Trouble
2012: FETUS 5000
2013: Fist Cop
2014: Man Day
2015: Beyond the Fridge
2016: DICKS
2017: Cameo'd in 11 films.
2019: The Big Number.

Most films linked above are the tidied up Director's cuts. Not indicative of what was handed in
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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 664

in reply to Newsboy:

Heck yes. Great for local people who want to make something on the weekend but don't want to play the main game. Could write and prep before the weekend and start shooting at 7pm, with a few players they could deliver several before midnight.

I don't think I'd ever use anything like that, while I might use weekend created stock of other useful cities/landscape types, but I'm sure there are teams who would be keen as beans.

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BigRay
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2013
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I would like to see this rule relaxed a touch. Our film had a lot of people sitting around watching TV over several days and so I had to shoot and edit a variant amount of scenes just to play in shot. The TV scenes were not at all relevant to the story, but we lost about 30 mins to make this work. If I could just run old footage that I own the copyright to, that would still meet those rules.

If it was relevant to the story then absolutely make it essential to shoot during the weekend.

Just putting that at out there.....

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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What about this...
If you needed to have TV footage used in the background of a shot, you could use previous years' films.
Thoughts?

Not using the footage as footage per se, but rather to provide that background TV

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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How about this instead, every year the 48 provides a small collection of clips that you can have to put on Televisions which are in backgrounds.
You could have a news one a television show a movie a Doco stuff like that.

Edit

That's given me an idea actually, I might not actually do this but if I remember it could be quite fun to film a little skit at the start of the next 48 and then stick it up on the forum with the release form for anyone to use as they like.

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AJ
From: Christchurch
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Man, I totally disagree with this idea.

You get WAY more satisfaction making everything within the time frame, arduous stock footage included. If it's really that big of a deal, send a second 'unit' (uhh two people?) off to film stuff.

As soon as compromises like these are made then every year after that year will include films that aren't necessarily that impressive, because the rules were lenient.

I say this, but my most successful year was the 49 hour exception last year so maybe I'm eating my words here.

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BigRay
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2013
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in reply to dramamike:

Yep, that would work for me totally.

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BigRay
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2013
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in reply to AJ:

The second unit still have to get the footage shot and rendered before you can start shooting any scenes that need the TV footage playing in, so it's not a great time saver. And not all teams (like mine) have a second unit capability too.

To me, for my example, it's just a prop, and you don't have to make all your props during 48 Hours.....

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clang
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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I think stock footage would be a great compulsory element one year - i.e. teams must use at least x seconds of a supplied clip (from a small selection of choices) somewhere in their film, either straight, as a compositing element (e.g. as a background) or as secondary footage (e.g. seen on a TV).

However the footage would need to be very generic, e.g. landscapes, skies, cities.

Back on topic, 'footage' isn't that well defined in the current rules. In years past, rules explicitly stated that photos didn't count as 'footage', e.g. you could do a Ken Burns-style film using nothing but 50-year-old photographs. But now? Am I technically breaking the rules if I use a public domain pic of a sky as a background in my film?

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