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I've noticed a small but ?interesting? change in the rules

14. Cast and crew can be volunteers or professionals.

In the past I think it said "all cast and crew must be volunteers. you can't pay people to be in the team"

Does this mean I can call up a pro actor and tease them with cash? hire PJ as as my 1AD? (no I can't afford that really...)

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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I love that everyone reads the rules more closely than I do.
I read that as you do. 48 Hours has gone professional.
Not sure how many will actually do so, but it may impact on some teams. I think the majority of teams are looking for a fun weekend, rather than trying to make a Sundance winning film.

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lightandplanetary
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I think it's kinda a bummer to have that in there, the worst thing that could happen to this competition IMO is for people who have a budget to have an unfair advantage, or for talent/crew to go where they are paid more.

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tarlen
From: Cactuslab
Since: Mar 2011
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in reply to lightandplanetary:

I'd change that to "people who have a budget to have MORE OF an advantage".

Teams that could fork out for decent cameras, lightning, editing software etc have always had an advantage, but it has been tempered somewhat by the need to have unpaid cast and crew, meaning they might not be able to attract good people to use the equipment to it's best.

That may change now, and it makes me sad too.

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CraigWB
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I wonder how long it'll be until Bruce Willis is doing a half assed performance in a 48hours film.

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From: Wellington
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in reply to CraigWB:

More likely to get Mel Gibson first

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I personally doubt it would be of any advantage at all. I do remember we had a worry one year where we hired a crane ... and the crane operator of course came with it. Grey areas eliminated.

As is often said - it's the idea and story that counts.

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Viva La Booba
From: Dunedin
Since: Apr 2011
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I've heard rumours that in previous years the hire of professionals has come under a nebulous so called "gear hire" arrangement. So perhaps nothing is actually changing on a practical basis.

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
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I know the film duration is 5minutes- but I am having trouble fitting in all my death scenes. Does anybody know if the "Made as part of HP48hours 2016" be outside of the 5 minutes? And how long does it need to be on the screen for?

I haven't been able to find it specifically written in the rules.

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to jjosland:

Made as a part of HP48hours 2016 is part of the credits and therefore part of the film. So it has to be in the 5 minutes and I don't think there is a time for that but you should probably make it longer then 1 frame.

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 96

Thanks! I fixed it.

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
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Next year I am considering a sky-diving sequence. Would I be allowed to include stills from Google Earth to use as background plates?

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Manta
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to jjosland:

Greensreen plates can be pre-shot or stock images/footage as long as they are copyright free. I checked this with Ant before embarking on my green screen attempt this year. Basically treat it like 3D animation.

Actually I think we used Google Earth back in 2007... now I think about it though, it's probably not copyright free... lol.

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
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Thanks- They do offer free TV/Film license

I am wondering if anybody on these threads has ever applied or received any?

If not getting one specifically, they appear fine with it as long as the google attribution is embedded into the content. I would prefer not to have this in the majority of shots though.

Would be cool to use for a feature- I think the technology is well within reach.

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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I don't think this is a safe move at all. Get aerial photos with licenses that explicitly allow both derivative and commercial use, or build your own background plates from CC licensed or public domain elements. I don't think Google actually owns most of the imagery they use, they license it from third parties, so as tempting as it seems I suspect it's actually a bit of a dead end for use in this comp.

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
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Thanks for the insight- will definitely look into such photos.

I remember the first time I saw I am Ball and wondering where all the images for it came from.

Great song! We had planned to do something similar where a ball bounces along changing people's lives- the vectors etc being against the odds but realised it would be too hard so we just had people getting shot over and over again.

Love your work!

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to jjosland:

I remember the first time I saw I am Ball and wondering where all the images for it came from.

They're creative commons and public domain photos from flickr (they have a special search tool that filters by license type).

It took forever cutting/filling/cloning and breaking out into layers in AE to make the 2.5D effect work then almost no one even noticed. :D

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 96

Yep they looked fantastic the way you layered them- I loved the subtle movements!

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