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miriamruthross
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2014
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Disqualification

Just wondering how teams find out if they are disqualified. Missing the time deadline is obvious but I have seen some teams post that they have been disqualified for minor things. Do they get emailed before the heats or do you turn up and find out on the night. I tripled checked the rules before handing in but I guess I'm still a little paranoid. I'd hate to bring my team to the heats and have them disappointed on the night that we failed on a minor issue.

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Robstar Rapper
From: Gisborne
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in reply to themorgan:

I know, but it's just sad to deprive them of this opportunity. I'm just a big softie though.

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From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to Robstar Rapper:

That's very generous hearted of you, I'd just point out that if they did what they're accused of then they deprived themselves, no one is doing anything to them. And in fact quite to the contrary they are in fact depriving another short that probably didn't cheat from a rightful place in the finals.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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If it was allowed to play then it opens a huge bag of worms.
Its a copyright issue, not a rules issue.
The organisers could be sued for breach of copyright.
Its a legal nightmare the comp can do without.
For me its a no-brainer- It must be removed

(I also agree with Morgan- I've not seen it etc and therefore it is an assumption based on what Sloppy Joe has stated)

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R17
From: wellington
Since: May 2013
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Using copyright music without permission (assuming it was without permission and was actually the piece of music in question) is not only against the rules, it is against international LAW. I think it may be one of the more important rules...

If the organisers of the comp get sued for copyright infringement - it could be bye-bye 48hours... none of us want that...

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Rowox
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 96

in reply to R17:

I am certain that the contract each team manager signs with 48hrs means that if they break the rules/law, 48hrs is not responsible (having done all that is reasonably expected of them). So if anyone is getting sued, it would be the team manager...

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From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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in reply to Rowox:

So if anyone is getting sued, it would be the team manager...

Doesn't really work that way in practise though. If the 48HOURS organisers run a public ticketed screening of a film that includes uncleared copyright music then it directly makes them liable for the infringement. They may have an agreement that then means they can pursue action against the filmmaker, but ultimately it's 48HOURS that is legally responsible for their exhibition of the films.

Basically, don't fuck with copyright.

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korohthegeek
From: Auckland
Since: Mar 2014
Posts: 12

Agreed. If actually identified as a breach, then has to go. Only whilst editing, I picked up background music in our short that I didn't notice during the shoot. (And we couldn't reshoot). The music was obvious. I knew it would be a copyright issue and so laid on the music soundtrack loud for a few seconds until the actors voice came in, then edited that louder (than it needed to be). So even if an honest mistake, it maybe should have even been picked up in edit.

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clattybella
From: Taranaki
Since: May 2011
Posts: 19

I saw the film in the heats and had no idea what the breach was so I watched it with great attention in the finals last night. The only thing I could work out was a split second ringtone on a phone (I doubt Shazam could have picked up what it was). The complaint was made out to be a blatant disregard to the rules. It appears to me to be an understandable oversight. To disqualify this team would be a travesty. They were a new, young team that made an awesome short, good story, great cinematography and editing. A few years ago a film that went pretty far in the competition had Billy Jean by Michael Jackson playing in the background for a couple of seconds and was not DQ'd and they were an experienced team who should know better, so in my opinion to DQ the team in question would be so unfair. Rules are rules but the world is filled with grey areas and this in my opinion is one of them.

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SloppyJoe
From: New Zealand
Since: Apr 2014
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in reply to clattybella:

Man if you can prove a team had Milly Jean By MJ then it should have been DQed for sure!! The Dr Dre track was more than a split second and you could clearly hear the lyrics I guarantee Shazam would pick it up - everyone can make their own decision when they see it in the screening room I guess.

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SloppyJoe
From: New Zealand
Since: Apr 2014
Posts: 19

Speaking of DQs - this one made the final, do you think it should have be DQ'd for getting the line wrong? I kind of think so... http://www.48hours.co.nz/screening-room/2014/taranaki/sphere/

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steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 334

Um finalists shouldn't be online until grand finalists are announced......

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Fleet
Since: Apr 2014
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in reply to SloppyJoe:

Agree with Sloppy Joe. Any dialogue that is clearly incorrect should be disqualified. Otherwise - don't bother having any rules.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1367

Just watched 'Pillar to Post' in the screening room and was surprised to hear the song 'Happy Birthday' in the middle of it.
This song is copyright.

Taranaki, get your act together.
This carelessness that is rewarded with a place in the finals and the film winning awards is dangerous for the entire comp.

Copyright is law.
You cannot breach it in this kind of way and expect to get away with it.

Its not simply a breach of rules, it is ILLEGAL.

C'mon... get it together

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c0ina
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
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Who is the Taranaki supervisor for the comp?

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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According to the city info page:
anand@greencow.co.nz

I am blown away at this.

So wrong.

Putting it a film by mistake because you are a first timer? Forgiveable, but it goes no further.

But the city manager/judges being unaware of the implications of it and putting it into the finals, then giving it awards? Heads should roll.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2013/06/14/class-action-suit-aims-to-strip-warner-of-happy-birthday-copyright/

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dramamike
From: Wellington
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$150,000 for an unauthorised usage...

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to dramamike:

surprised to hear the song 'Happy Birthday' in the middle of it

Oooh, that is so wrong to be using that song. Just google it so goodness sake! Agree that hands need to be slapped with more than just a wet bus ticket.

Looking forward though ... there must be many, many 48 Hours films that get DQ after hand-in for reasons of copyright breach. We watched one the other night that used the online Tinder app which left me thinking: surely that's out of the running for anything. When the judges are watching everything (and they do have my sympathy on that front!) and they come across an issue that DQ's the film, I'm wondering if that reason could be captured and posted against the entry in the reviews database perhaps?

Then the team involved and more importantly, anyone else watching the film with the view to learning about what makes a good 48 Hour film, or what doesn't pass the test, would indeed get a better understanding of what the rules mean in practise. Seems at the moment there's a lot of grey around where boundaries do or don't fall so more and more teams are pushing out those boundaries and mostly getting away with it.

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nimlin
From: Otaki
Since: Apr 2011
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this is enough to bring me out of retirement, how hard is it to read and understand the rules and how hard is it to enforce the rules? if you are a finalist and have won best whatever for your district why then go and get instant DQ for putting your film up on line, of course that would never happen in this comp would it? as for copyright breach maybe somebodies arse should be sued to prove a point. and yes I have missed you guys as well.

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From: Lonesome Dove
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in reply to dramamike:

do you thing greencow is there real name ?

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