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Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

2015 Roll Call

Hey Mike, technically I'm not back but I have been on the side-lines with a paper bag over my head trying to look inconspicuous all the while just watching what you lot have been up to...

Living in a paper bag this last while has given me perspective of sorts, about film anyway.. not sure why but for some time now films have made me seriously angry and everything that I used to love about them so dearly now just makes me want to madly smash holes in things with the biggest hole smashing implements I can lay my hands on..

Last year I looked at film like an onion and I just started peeling away at the layers... Does it need this layer, nope not really peel it off and throw it away, does it need the next not specifically, peel it off and throw it away.. I just kept doing that till I got right down to the very nub, the heart of what is a film (or what I think is a film) and it was not what I expected..

All those things I thought were essential were actually all the things that were making me angry and frustrated..

Last year I did my own random pick of lines, props etc and made a 6 minute film with just 1 naked male who's only movement was to move his head once.. nothing sexual about the nakedness, costuming was one of the layers I peeled away and discarded.. there was a second unseen character so there was dialogue and just two props.. Although the naked man made not one step he moved through five different sets without fancy green screen or any trickery of camera and editing, in fact there was no editing at all, just one continuous shot and to me it worked perfectly.. Note I did say "to me" most everyone else I'm sure would have taken issue with that..

Of course if anyone else tries to do it like that this year you can point your finger at them and say "use your own imagination buster and not rely on others to think for you" The ultimate end-game is to get it down to 1 naked character, 1 prop, no dialogue and yet still tell a story but that's a way off yet as I still haven't peeled away all the layers that make a story a story..

But like I say finances being what they are I'll be doing it again from the side-lines.. Luck has not been on my side lately and everything I seem to touch blows up and sucks away at my meagre resources..

However I will watch closely what Nutbar and Nimlin do though not comment, nothing personal I just feel I no longer have the right to make any statement on anything anyone else does, it's not my place...

Good luck and have fun ...

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

2015 Roll Call

I actually did have thoughts of returning this year.. Just out of interest I've been playing about with ideas about what a movie actually is, in short make something so removed from being a movie that with luck it will universally be condemned by all and sundry as not being a movie though in essence it still will be a movie, well I think it will, you never know till you see it..

However just recently the stove blew two elements, the telly shit it self not that it worries me much, the battery in the car died along with the brakes, the fridge has started making funny noises, the rego is due along with upcoming rates bill plus I have a major art exhibition to attend in Dunedin which will mean an overnight stay so all things considered financially 48 hours is pretty low on the bank account pay-out considerations list

Also I'll be working the Saturday which means doing it in 24 hours and not 48 though I really don't see that as a problem, my very first 48 hour I actually didn't start till 11am on Sunday morning and still had it in on time and made the Dunedin regional final..

so maybe just perhaps next year if I feel like throwing away a few hundred bucks exploring an idea that pretty much everyone's reaction will be "you call that a movie, that's not a movie that's a piece of shit!" but then perhaps just maybe one or two might think that's an interesting approach, perhaps ill conceived and not executed to perfection but none the less an interesting approach though just between you and me I hope not.. So perhaps next year, you never know but I will watch what comes in..

Good luck to those who play the game...

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Notes on our film

Okay I think that’s it, it’s at a point now where something really has to give. I was hoping Gregg that we could just avoid each other and not get involved in any more of this sort of thing. I said I’d leave you alone and asked you to leave me alone but obviously you’re not prepared for that to happen.

I’m unbelievably tired of this and I dare say just about everyone else is as well, I don’t need it, the others certainly don’t need it and if you’re honest with yourself you don’t need it either.

When it gets to that level of abuse which is not even thinly guised as debate it shows to me nothing will change. To be absolutely hammered for the level of violence in our film and your abhorrence of such themes to them turn around and suggest we should have petrol poured over us and then be set alight shows that in no doubt it wasn’t the film you were having a go at but us personally and yes I did take that as a personal threat.

This forum doesn’t need to hear this and neither do I. I’m not going to wait till the forum owners have to start trying to figure out what the hell to do so I’m going to make the decision for them.

So hence forth I’m retiring from the forum, and will not be posting on nor viewing the forum again. Maybe then things will settle down and people can get on and have some fun and chat without this sort of grief being inflicted upon them.

As it’s now at a stage where I can’t start or contribute to a serious thread without this sort of thing then my ability to be of any value here is gone. I’ve thought about this long and hard today and as there has been absolutely no comment made by the forum moderators I see no other option open and I’ll not be swayed on this as it is patently obvious the only way it will cease is for one of us not to be here.

we made a film this year that was tough and uncompromising, we stepped out of the formulaic box that you've been so bitterly complaining everyone here is stuck in. I make no apologies for the film we made and remember it wasn't just Nimlin and myself that made it, there were a host of others, both men and women, behind the scenes that read the script and unanimously said let's go for it so remember everything you say about me you're saying about them.


So if my name/account/whatever could be deregistered I’d greatly appreciate it.

I wish you all well.
Logging off.
Shifty.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Notes on our film

Yeah pull your head in Nimlin :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Mind you I did have a little giggle at the comment on the cards, they were so old and so many were missing it actually became bloody difficult to find 3 different winning hands. :)))) But that is neither here nor there..

However Meatloaf this is now what I do on a daily basis, I write.

I just thought a thread on why people wrote the way they wrote may be of help to others, not only in the way people see the films they made on the weekend but to talk about the thought processes that went into what they did produce.

If people just went about trying to do nothing more than come up with a story to entertain then that's fine, I'll sit down from time to time and watch a bit of straight entertainment and not care, straight entertainment is cool.

When people are sitting in the heats and the films are coming up one after another and they're being hit like a machine gun I merely considered the possibility that the audience may have missed what was in the minds of the film makers.

Obviously no one (apart from Sir Pete ) has the time to sit down and watch every film made over the weekend, I certainly don't and there is also a great deal of the population in this country that just live in areas where it's almost impossible to even see the heats so if there were posts by the makers that interested people from other areas then they could ensure they seek out those films.

I wanted to write something a little different and luckily for me Nimlin had the balls to go along with it knowing full well it would shock, no entertainment value in what we did and that was the point. However a film not designed to entertain put in amidst films that are runs a real risk of being misinterpreted.

I'm sure that there are a heap of people out there that made films on the weekend that sat down to make a film with specific purposes in mind or would just like to talk about the thought processes they employed.

So far I've made sure to watch CraigWB's film because of the way he talked about it. I'd already watched R17 and Ictus's films.

If you want to watch a film that completely throws out everything even slightly irrelevant, which is what we attempted to do, then watch this short by Bela Tarr,

In my mind he's the absolute modern day master of black and white film, 4 minutes of playing cards pale to 5 minutes of people standing in line and not a word said.

So please any other people out there who want to share their objectives in making what they did then please post.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Notes on our film

Well I got it Ictus, for a start the title was a fair give away and the way the dolls sat on the floor was pretty obvious.

Thanks for joining in you guys, it's been great to hear this from the makers.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Sabotage

I can see that no matter how you approached this issue there are likely to be headaches for someone. Having the rating on the title board is in my mind far too late in the day to ask people if they want to leave as by then the film is actually rolling.

Perhaps a way to help the organizers is to take a big red felt tip pen and write your classification on the hand in envelope to give them a heads up warning not to stick it in a heat where kids are likely to be present.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Notes on our film

Now that the first part of the comp is over and pretty much done and dusted, the finalists have been found and the bulk of reviews and comments have been made I thought it may be of interest for those who made the films to have a thread where they can talk about what their motivations and perhaps where influences that inspired their films came from, not a thread to have a crack at the reviewers by any means. Please leave that out
The reviews both good and bad have a valuable place but with so many to look at it’d be easy to miss the intentions behind peoples work. I for one would be certainly interested to hear from others.

Okay I’ll start with ours. We got obsessive relationship and as I said to Nimlin, if there’s one thing I know it’s obsession.
When I sat down to write it I discarded everything but the obsession. Obsession generally has no core, it may have a trigger but the trigger is irrelevant as obsession exists on it’s own plain and that’s what I tried to deliver.

For instance for a person that becomes obsessed with cleaning light switches the trigger may be nothing more than one day noticing a fly dirt on one, from there the obsession becomes it’s own beast, the fly dirt becomes irrelevant. So for me when I wrote the script any back story is of no consequence, I was just interested in the nature of the behaviour. I more or less flipped a coin on the ending, if my main character had that true obsessive behaviour then after finally winning the game he would have shifted the goal posts and would have demanded of himself that he needed to win three games in a row to feel he’d actually beaten the dead partner. After winning three in a row it would have become ten straight wins, that’s the nature of obsession, it never ends it just grows.

Our film certainly was dark but may come over noticeably darker considering it was probably surrounded by comedy or lighter films.

I watch so much film it’s hard not to be influenced by international writers and directors. Probably in this instance I was influenced by Michael Haneke, I had no intentions of copying the great man (Lord how could I?) but certainly in this instance, with this subject matter, the influence was there.

I’ve always been a great fan of film and story that leave questions open, unanswered, just like life we’re surrounded by the dangling threads of what we just never understand. Haneke does this all the time and I love it. In his film Cache we never get to know just who it was that did all the secret filming.
In the script I wrote I deliberately left open the question of just how did the woman die. Was it murder or natural causes? Everyone assumed that he’d killed her but had he? The clue is what Meatloaf saw and commented that he’d almost missed and that was the letterbox and yes Meatloaf it was specifically designed to almost be missed. In the beginning it reads V & V Meyer but at the end it just reads V Meyer. If a brutal murder had taken place would he still be there and not serving a life sentence somewhere? I’m certainly not telling.

The other question I left unanswered was how did he see her, in his mind while the obsession lived in him was she still alive even though she was patently dead. He brought her a cup of coffee, just habit or did he expect her to drink it. Again the isolated farm and yet the door was locked, was that to keep people out or keep her in? Certainly he was verbally violent with her but during their relationship had he been a festering meek and mild partner and only her now non responsiveness allowed him to vent and yoyo between anger and quiet?
Maybe I tried to sneak too much into a short time frame but I really wanted to try and do something a little different.

The story is the fact that his obsession had extended beyond her life, he’d shifted the goalposts, that’s what I was trying to get at. What triggered his obsession was irrelevant how she died was irrelevant, only the obsession mattered.

I believe if Haneke saw my film he’d understand it, that’s certainly not to say he’d think it a good film by any stretch of the imagination but certainly he understand what I was trying in my own way to say.

Okay that’s just a few notes from me done, I’d really love to hear from others that had specific reasons for the way they’d gone about making their films.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

What Would You Change in the 48 Hours Comp?

An amateur pro split is totally unworkable. What do you call a team with 2 pro's' and 3 amateurs.
It would be like going back to the old Olympics, trying to police just who was and wasn't an amateur. Nah, bung us all in the same life boat and let us all squabble over who gets a seat and who gets biffed over the side.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Are there Peter Jackson Wildcards this year?

in reply to CraigWB:

it's almost like pondering wether or not Steven Spielberg is aware that my team exists and has seen one of my films.

I asked him that last week and he says he knows but is saying nothing till you hit the big time then he's going to sue you into the netherworld.

In actual fact it's actually kind of cool not to know how it's done, nice to still have a mystery or two left in the universe.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

What Would You Change in the 48 Hours Comp?

Hmm, genre trading, how about hitting any team that wants to trade with a 4 hour time penalty. Yeah I know a nightmare to organize and too complex for those poor souls running the show, it's just a thought.

If there was anything I'd change it's the required elements, I think in some ways they're too easy.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Are there Peter Jackson Wildcards this year?

How or who throws a bunch at him for consideration, obviously he doesn't watch the lot so how are they selected for him to give a once over?

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Sabotage

in reply to sideshowstu:

I can't say that I would ever call that film a musical. Not making a musical is not in the spirit of the competition. Do you think this is a fair opinion?

I think what does and what does not denote musical Stu is a whole thread just on it's own. :) Lord what can of worms that is, what actually is music and just how much of it needs to be included for it to be classed as a musical. My god shoot me now! :)))))))))))))))

By the way how come you bunged yourself in as an out of towner in Christchurch instead of your usual haunt of Dunedin?

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

What Would You Change in the 48 Hours Comp?

No way more that 7 minutes. can you imagine the extra time that would be sucked up just filming those extra minutes let alone editing them.

There's an old writers saying "I would have written less but I didn't have the time".

A shorter time makes it tougher.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Plaster of Paris ?

5 kg may sound like a lot but remember the stuff really disappears when you mix it up.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist

Shifty
From: Oamaru
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 874

Sabotage

As it's not on the review site (it should at the very least be there) I'll throw up my comments here.

As for the drug use, yes it showed a line of coke being cut with a card but as there was no shot of it actually being snorted or injected I think that's okay, there's plenty of that in the 8.30 slot on telly so if they threw an M rating that's fine.

As for the swearing, again I judge it by an 8.30 slot on telly, it didn't seem to over the top but would definitely have a viewer warning at that time so again that's okay by me. Our film probably had a shit load more of swearing than Pussy and was used in a far more violent manner and context, we had a maniacal lead character verbally abusing a corpse and it was seen as okay and passed unchallenged. (Wellington Heat 19 Nimlin Productions if you want to compare)

As for the film it self, it immediately struck me as a Slice of Life film rather than a formal narrative using the normal formats. if that was the intention it was right on the money.
Initially I found it very engaging but unfortunately there came a point and I'm not sure just why but I lost contact with the characters. It is very difficult to show on film what it's like to feel stoned from an external point of view. Perhaps it would have worked better if that segment had been film as the POV required shots rather than just making the camera woggle about.
For me it was a film of two halves and at the end of it I felt a little disappointed the very first immediate affinity I felt for the characters had been thrown away.

2013 - Nimlin Productions - Full House - Obsessive Relationship Movie
2012 - Nimlin Productions - Hira's Tree - Urban Legend
2011 - Divide That By 9 - No Country For Fake Women - Crime
2010 - Off To The Accountant Films - The Meek Shall Inherit - Twin Movie - Regional Finalist