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wormywils
From: Auckland
Since: May 2020
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What kind of rules would you like to see in Ultra next time?

So far we have had...

- Film must be a sequel to one of your previous films.
- Must star a child or an animal
- Must be split screen.

That last one was the hardest for sure.

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Bloydd
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 144

I believe you're forgetting that last year you also had to break the 4th wall..

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

I wouldn't know what I'd want the Ultra element to be, you want it to be a challenge but not annoying. It's one of those things where it could benefit some teams and hamper others. The first time when they did a sequel I think any team that stayed together for a long time would have benefited where I had to come up with an excuse to replace actors etc.

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2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 96

I think a longer running time would be cool for more experienced teams to flex their creativity- also a kind of reward for years of dedication to the competition. Maybe a longer minimum running time?

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TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
Posts: 209

The film must be in a foreign language.

The script must be an acrostic, where the first letter of each line of dialogue spells out the title of the film.

The film must make sense when viewed in reverse.

Christopher Walken must feature in the film in a small yet significant way.

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2013: "Quarrelsome Heat" (Action/Adventure)
2012: "Nicky + Eve 19/5" (One Shot)
2011: "Band Of Bullies" (Quest)
2010: "I Am Single" (Rom Com)
2009: "New Fish" (Musical)
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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

in reply to TheNimbleMarmoset:

Foreign language could be a hell of a laugh but I fear they'd never do it as it could become unbelievably offensive.

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2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
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2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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LiamM
From: Auckland
Since: May 2015
Posts: 33

I think a longer running time would be cool for more experienced teams

Could also go the opposite direction. ULTRA films cannot be longer than two minutes.

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 664

ULTRA is terrible, they never quite worked out how to make it any good, and we're better off without it.

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TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
Posts: 209

in reply to themorgan:

ULTRA is terrible, they never quite worked out how to make it any good, and we're better off without it.

I partially agree with you, although I think it's worth remembering the motivation for it being introduced in the first place, which (as I understand it) was essentially to offer an additional level of challenge for veterans of the competition. I still think that's a worthwhile thing to explore, although perhaps the ULTRA format as it currently stands isn't quite right to achieve it.

Not all constraints are enabling - some are just plain annoying. One of the purposes of required elements for 48HOURS should be to inspire creativity in the competing filmmakers. Now of course, everyone responds differently to different challenges (for instance, each year I live in hope that my team might draw Musical, but I appreciate that enthusiasm for making musicals is not widely held...), so there's no clear categorical divide where a challenge objectively goes from good to bad. I actually think last year's two (split-screen and breaking the fourth wall) were the best so far, but they shouldn't have been bundled together, since I feel that the combination necessarily diluted the potential of either one of them on its own.

I don't know what the answer is - maybe it is less about the ULTRA element(s) being massively crazy on its own, but simply that ULTRA teams have the added challenge of having to incorporate more elements. For what it's worth, I feel that the elements of the main competition in the past few years have been less specific than I would like, and I feel like more films these days make only passing reference to them.

So maybe my (serious) suggestion is this:

NORMAL COMPETITION: 3 required elements (sound, object, technical)
ULTRA: the standard 3 elements, PLUS 3 extra ones.

The Ultra option could even reincorporate the old-school model, so the additional 3 elements would be a character name, a character trait, and a line of dialogue.

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2016: "Down To The Wire" (Bechdel), "Windows" (Mystery)
2015: "The Silent Man" (Mystery)
2014: "The Ex" (Rom Com)
2013: "Quarrelsome Heat" (Action/Adventure)
2012: "Nicky + Eve 19/5" (One Shot)
2011: "Band Of Bullies" (Quest)
2010: "I Am Single" (Rom Com)
2009: "New Fish" (Musical)
2008: "Übermensch" (Horror)
2007: "Pain-Killer: The Sick Sense" (Superhero)

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

in reply to TheNimbleMarmoset:

Yeah, I like the idea of bringing back some of the old model for Ultra as well, perhaps more of the veteran teams would join if it was less than a wild card.

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2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
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2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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toowit toowoo
From: Dunedin
Since: May 2011
Posts: 113

in reply to jjosland:

Maximum run time 30 seconds. Even some of the 3 min films really dragged things out. Less is more.

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

I think 30 seconds max runtime is extreme, I've always had trouble with even a 3-minute maximum because I find it tricky to come up with that pure of an idea in a way which I think will work. I think I could live with a 3-minute maximum for Ultra teams but I would say any less than 2 minutes and it may as well be a TikTok competition.

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2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
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2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 96

I'd feel seriously ripped off if I was to dedicate time and money to a 30 short. The main reason I pay to enter the competition is so that I can have friends appear on the big screen, and the more things I can jam in up there for longer, the more satisfying it is for me and my team.

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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 408

I prefer the slightly longer movie format - while 3 mins was a smart idea for lockdown, I did miss seeing more actual stories with more than 1 beat.

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Mista Teas
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 554

NORMAL COMPETITION: 3 required elements (sound, object, technical)
ULTRA: the standard 3 elements, PLUS 3 extra ones.

The Ultra option could even reincorporate the old-school model, so the additional 3 elements would be a character name, a character trait, and a line of dialogue.

I've been a big fan of the move to broader elements as it has resulted in films that generally have broader concepts. Gone has been the giggle every time the compulsory character's name is mentioned or a chuckle when the line is delivered (or split between characters as the trend became) The elements have disappeared into the films which I think is great - sometimes you really have to look for them. So, I hope they keep mixing them up every year so you don't know what you might get - could be 3, could be 4, could be a prop or the line. Keep us guessing.

As for ULTRA - the first year it was novel; in the second too easy to weasel around; the third I didn't do it which I was happy about. I don't know where you now go with it but whatever it is it has to have real stakes to it - that is there is a very real risk of failure through being late or not adhering to the rules. I think the split-screen in 2019 probably got the closest to this. ULTRA came about because veteran teams wanted more of a challenge but I don't think just adding more stuff achieves that.

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TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
Posts: 209

in reply to Mista Teas:

RE: The move to broader elements:

PRO: It's made it easier for teams to integrate the elements seamlessly into their films.
CON: It's made it easier for teams to integrate the elements seamlessly into their films.

Which is to say that I can see it from both angles, so I'm a bit torn. It's undeniable that the elements don't tend to get in the way of teams telling the story they want to tell. But if it's now easier to tell any story and just discretely shoehorn the elements in, my question would be, why do we have the required elements at all?

What I will say is that I think the best teams have always been able to find a way to make even very specific elements feel like a natural part of their films. And the more elements you have to integrate organically into your film, the greater the challenge, hence where I was coming from with my idea. But maybe not everyone gets as excited about brainstorming ways to incorporate elements as I do.

I think my general point is that teams may want an extra challenge, but I hope I can speak for every team when I say that we all still want to have a fun, enjoyable weekend, and not be mired down by a curveball that is technically hard but also not inspiring, and which just makes for a miserable time.

My own personal experience with Ultra was just the once, in the first year, and it pretty much broke us. In retrospect (even just days after the shoot weekend) I could think of dozens of better ideas and approaches we should have chosen, but in the heat of the moment the challenge threw us, and ironically did the precise opposite of the point of Ultra, by putting us in a crisis management mode and leading us down the route of making safe and obvious decisions. So overall we didn't cope well with the challenge, but also the specific Ultra challenge itself that year was a bit of a downer for us: a big part of the excitement of the comp for me at least is getting to be openly creative because really anything is possible, and being forced to revisit an earlier film instantly narrowed and diminished that blue-sky excitement.

I wonder if the most successful Ultra challenges are actually the ones imposed on themselves by teams. One or two examples come to mind, like Rowan deciding to make a 3D film. The year before the first Ultra, we challenged ourselves to make two films instead of one, and that definitely fell in the hard-but-fun category.

Ha, maybe that's a potential Ultra idea: make two 48HOURS films (each separately must comply with all the elements and requirements), both of which exist in the same world/story/reality. Could be fun. But I dunno, it's a tricky one!

SABINA COLADA
2020: "Basket Case" (Whodunnit)

SOUTH JERSEY GHOST RESEARCH
2019: "Catman and Robyn" (The Secret Identity Movie)
2018: "Cushy: A Pull Story" (The Film That Spans More Than Ten Years)

TBALC
2017: "Down 2 The Wire" (Thriller, ULTRA: Sequel)
2016: "Down To The Wire" (Bechdel), "Windows" (Mystery)
2015: "The Silent Man" (Mystery)
2014: "The Ex" (Rom Com)
2013: "Quarrelsome Heat" (Action/Adventure)
2012: "Nicky + Eve 19/5" (One Shot)
2011: "Band Of Bullies" (Quest)
2010: "I Am Single" (Rom Com)
2009: "New Fish" (Musical)
2008: "Übermensch" (Horror)
2007: "Pain-Killer: The Sick Sense" (Superhero)

EVIL GENIUS LABS
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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 96

Wow 2 films- what a cool idea!

A lot of questions to think about-
Would they be of different genres?
What if one was amazing, but the other was really bad, would they both have to be amazing to qualify? Maybe against a scoring system that takes the average of both films to compare with the rest of the entries in the competition?
What if it was two different versions of the same film, like different characters' perspectives (Rashomon/Pulp Fiction, or a prequel/sequel set 100 years apart...

Definitely a challenge that could make/break teams. What appeals to me is giving veteran teams an opportunity to showcase more in the weekend, and give acting talent more on screen time.

I heard/read somewhere in the ABCs of Death series, at least one team found it more sensible to make two shorts at once. Two Back to the Future movies were made at the same time, as well as the upcoming Avatar films. Even the people behind Futurama used this logic to have four more films green lit.

What a great opportunity to develop key skills to work under pressure, especially for teams that have been doing it for ages and seem to have the formula for the weekend under control.

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2017 Uber Cyborg 2.0 Sci-Fi Love (ULTRA)
2016 Wrong Target Mistaken Identity |Christchurch Most Incredibly Strange Best Bad Film Nominee|Christchurch Best Art Direction Nominee
2015 Uber Cyborg Science gone mad |Christchurch Most Incredibly Strange Best Bad Movie|Christchurch Best Costume Nominee
2014 One Man Army Against the Odds |National Most Incredibly Strange Best Bad Film|Christchurch Best Team Intro
2011 Humpty Dumpty: The Untold Story Mystery
2009 Blackout Superhero
2008 Take As Prescribed Horror (Disqualified for being over length)
Nervous Poop
2010 48Hours Later Musical | Christchurch Best Bad Film Runner Up
Gorilla Pictures
2006 Rubix Dude and Wheelchair Mania Superhero Film | Christchurch Finalist, Christchurch Best Original Score, Christchurch Best Use Of Character, Christchurch Best Screenplay
2005 Mr Fluffy and the Robot Sci-Fi (Disqualified- 4 minutes late)
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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

2 films are interesting because they could get a bit wonky in terms of the competition. You could even get assigned 2 numbers so that you aren't just making 2 of the same genre, i.e. you could shoot a discarded idea just to qualify. Personally I'd like to get some advance warning if that's the case, I feel like I'd have to make an attempt at getting into shape because I've taken to sleeping a lot more during these competitions then I used to and I'd probably end up shooting and editing 2 films. Though It would be quite an accomplishment to get 1st AND 2nd in the grand final. People would probably get outraged and we'd never have 2 films ever again.

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2019 Burgled on High : Musical ULTRA
2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
Sakura Productions
2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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toowit toowoo
From: Dunedin
Since: May 2011
Posts: 113

Hey, we made 2 films! Was fun, but also quite difficult, so definitely a good idea for ultra.

We actually decided to do the same genre twice, because with two genres and free entry there is always the opportunity to game the system by only filming the genre you wanted. I guess with ultra you would have to finish both or be DQ'ed so that wouldn't be an issue. We didn't really have a problem with picking up discarded ideas for the 2nd film either, there's a reason ideas get discarded!

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2020: Seven Eight Nine (Whodunnit) LOCKDOWN SOLO
2019: Banana Split (Coming of Age) ULTRA DUO
2018: The Land Before Rhyme (Musical) ULTRA DUO
2017: Glasnost 2: Blood Moon (Supernatural) ULTRA
2016: Chasing Tail (Cat & Mouse)
2015: Glasnost (Buddy)
2014: Entropy (Time Travel)
2013: Lights. Camera. Wasteland. (Reunion)
2012: A Grave Mistake (Horror)
2011: Keeping Station (One Room (Mystery))
2010: aVatar : A sign from Guarana (V48Seconds)
2010: Alex's Puddle: The Peequel (Ghost)
2009: Alex's Puddle (Big Twist)
2008: Lucky Break (Drama)
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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 442

Strictly speaking there was nothing to stop you from paying the entry fee 15 times.

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2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
Sakura Productions
2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
Posts: 209

To clarify my idea (insofar as I've thought about it at all), the two films would be handled as separate entries into the competition, and as such would each get a randomly drawn genre, and would need to abide by all the elements and requirements. They would be judged as standalone films for the main competition, without consideration of the other one.

(In terms of an entry fee, I would say that it would be a little more than normal (to acknowledge the fact that you've got two films in competition), but certainly not double.)

So the normal comp would assess the films separately, and only the Ultra judging would consider the films as a pair, as a greater whole.

I would also say that this isn't the kind of Ultra challenge that you can just spring on teams; they'd need to know in advance that two films are to be made. Still, if you did want a surprise element, I suppose you could on the Friday reveal some required connective element for the Ultra challenge, e.g. a character who is alive in one film must be dead in the other, or the lead character of one film must be the parent of the lead character in the other, or the two films must each include the same scene or moment, but shown from different perspectives.

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2020: "Basket Case" (Whodunnit)

SOUTH JERSEY GHOST RESEARCH
2019: "Catman and Robyn" (The Secret Identity Movie)
2018: "Cushy: A Pull Story" (The Film That Spans More Than Ten Years)

TBALC
2017: "Down 2 The Wire" (Thriller, ULTRA: Sequel)
2016: "Down To The Wire" (Bechdel), "Windows" (Mystery)
2015: "The Silent Man" (Mystery)
2014: "The Ex" (Rom Com)
2013: "Quarrelsome Heat" (Action/Adventure)
2012: "Nicky + Eve 19/5" (One Shot)
2011: "Band Of Bullies" (Quest)
2010: "I Am Single" (Rom Com)
2009: "New Fish" (Musical)
2008: "Übermensch" (Horror)
2007: "Pain-Killer: The Sick Sense" (Superhero)

EVIL GENIUS LABS
2005 - "Bruised Gold" (Documentary)
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