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From: wellington
Since: May 2013
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What I learned this year

Well... my second year managing/directing/producing and editing a 48hours film... I must say, despite our vehicle crapping itself just before the launch and our editor coming down with a debilitating vomiting bug on Saturday morning, it felt fairly relaxed this year!

Once again i learnt alot!:

1. Flying back from Auckland for an ETA in Wellington at 6.35pm Friday is VERY stressful! especially when you learn that the only person with keys to get into the team base has just blown up the car and is stranded on the way to picking up half the team AND the editing computer...

2. make sure you have more than one vehicle and driver available at any one time :D

3. Underwater cameras are AWESOME!

4. Don't let your cinematographer talk you into letting him not use a tripod for a single shot... Tripod = good.

5. Editing film is like riding a bike... first time back, you fall off and break your arm and from then on it is fine... It is good to know I can still do it myself if I don't have an editor :D

6. Sound off the camera (Canon 7D is INFINITELY better than off a cheap external mic (OMG the HUM!)

7. A good computer makes all the difference - whilst not perfect, Our film is way cleaner and more professional looking than last time. I could actually watch our film pre-render this year - that makes editing SO much easier! The render took 20mins instead of 3 hours :D

8. Getting up at 7am Sunday not 5am to continue editing actually ended up more productive than getting up at 5am (based on last year)

9. Experience helps! 80% of the team this year was in the team last year so I didn't have to answer endless questions about the competition!

10. Alcohol and spa pool on Friday evening makes for a very tired team come Saturday morning...

11. Facebook is a great way to organise your team... except for that one person who refuses to sign up for facebook... grrr....

We had so much fun this year :D

What did you guys learn?

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Taunise
From: Auckland
Since: May 2011
Posts: 365

in reply to Meatloaf:

We aim for a rough cut by Saturday evening, even if we're missing a few shots, because we need to send something to our composer. I don't see why you think this is unreasonable. I would be far more concerned about having a rough cut at 4pm on Sunday. That's when we're (hopefully) rendering our final cut for hand-in.

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to Taunise:

I don't why I said that ... should have said: follow whatever timetable works best for your team.

On a slightly different subject re funding of Short or Feature films. Most of you film bods probably already know this but the NZ Film Commission has an industry consultation paper out called Pathways to Features. I only just can across as a result of being inspired into researching how to make our 48Hrs film into something bigger. It's an interesting read on proposed changes to their Fresh Shorts and Feature film funding approaches. Feedback closed at the end of March but I did managed to throw in a comment on it yesterday. Would encourage a read by anyone who thinks they might at some point in future be seeking funding support from NZFC. Cheers.

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 655

in reply to c0ina:

A rough cut on Saturday is way too early but a rough cut at 4pm Sunday is definitely way too late.

I think long cut before sleepytime on Saturday night (but usually Sunday morning about 2 or 4am) then get sorted out to rough as early as possible Sunday. Aiming for rough by 4pm courts failure, IMO.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1359

in reply to themorgan:

I agree.
We always have a long rough cut on Saturday night (although I suppose technically its early Sunday...)

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to dramamike:

We've achieved something close to that in previous years but this year filming ran way later that it should have (11pm Sat, plus an hour on Sunday morning) due to us trying something new! Silly people, don't know why we did that! So we raw clip sorted through to 3am Sunday, which magically became 2am so our Editor could then get 4 hours sleep (ah, bliss). Meanwhile I spent another hour creating the external-drive backup copy and importing/conforming into Adobe Premier. It kind of worked out OK and probably would again, but I can see how the weekend experience varies hugely depending on team dynamics, skills, repeat 48ers, disasters, weather, food, drink, clothing colours, amount of petrol in the car, memory loss, script strength ... wait, just about everything actually!

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Brendon Udy
From: Auckland
Since: May 2011
Posts: 68

We always aim for a wrap by midnight Saturday, and our editor has normally had a rough cut by about 6am Sunday. Unfortunately this year and last we didn't wrap until about 3am Sunday, so our editor had a rough cut ready by 10am.

I think I would have a heart attack if the rough wasn't ready until 4pm, but each to their own.

9 years without missing the deadline means our system must be working :)

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Rastinha
Since: Mar 2014
Posts: 99

in reply to Meatloaf:

Yeah I wrote that in a hurry, but what I meant was as I had to do almost everything technical for our film, we didn't start shooting until after 3 on saturday and so didn't wrap until the 3:30am after the second 3am (that time travel bit) of sunday, up again at 7 to start sorting through footage. If I'm ever the only cinematographer/editor again I would like to have it all uploaded and at least dropped into Premiere in folders for the right scenes by the end of Saturday night, even if that is wee hours. Preferably with a scene or two cut very roughly so there is more time to polish on Sunday.

I worked nonstop from about 8am and because I was the only editor had no time to get into after effects or balance up the sound, or do any grading etc. by the time we got to hand in.

With a bigger team I think I could be more ambitious and generous with time, but as a solo techie I think I need to wrap shooting much earlier (simpler shot list maybe?) and sort the footage earlier!

That's what I meant. And maybe I just found the website tricky to navigate because I managed all of the rest of it and we decided quite last minute to enter, after a 6 year break :)

Really enjoying seeing everyone's lesson's learned though, can't wait for next year!

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Taylor Deakin
From: Hamilton
Since: May 2012
Posts: 16

Something I learnt - be aware of where the other camera is. We decided to film a running scene, and cover it with multiple angles. On the first take, I was so focused on capturing a close up of the end of the running scene that I walked right into shot of another camera (See GIF above).

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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 544

in reply to Section59:

2. Have two editors and two editing machines.

Be very careful with this. Some applications can make it very difficult to share content and edits reliably. Simple mis-steps can result in corrupt sequences and lost data. I seem to recall a team in 2009 (maybe) having a nightmare when slightly different FCP versions resulted in corrupt project files (losing everything)

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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 544

in reply to c0ina:

they're more tv genres than film genres. personally i want to come out of the weekend with a short film that can hopefully stand on it's own outside of the context of the comp. that's a short film, not a scene from a bad tv show.

I feel a couple of our films stand alone, which is nice.

one year there was drama - which i guess would be the corresponding genre - but lots of people complained that it was too broad, which i guess it kind of is since really, every other genre that isn't doco comes under it.

2008 -- we drew Drama that year, and it was our most successful entry to date. That said, I hated at the time how broad it was as a genre. It really wasn't a genre so much as it was a broad instruction.

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2011 | One Room (Quest) | The Office Quest
2010 | Musical/Dance | Professional Dancer
2009 | Musical/Dance | All's Fair
2008 | Drama | The End (Auckland Winner)
2007 | Crime | The Big Job
2006 | Action/Adventure | Three Heroes Against Terror (City Finalist)
2005 | Romance | Fruits of Passion
2004 | Action/Adventure | The Sceptre of MacGuffin (City Finalist)
2003 | Cop/Crime | Forensic Investigation Team
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Yossarian
From: Scouting is a thing
Since: May 2011
Posts: 38

I learned that if for some bizarre reason you are compelled to post fake reviews of your entry, you should probably review some other films in your heat so it's less hilariously obvious lolololol

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c0ina
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 297

in reply to Yossarian:

Yeah the first three 10 star reviews for "that film" in your heat are hilariously obvious!

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Meatloaf
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 72

in reply to Yossarian:

Yeah, isn't that just hilarious! That's teenagers for you, plus a few non-teens too. Of course none of us actually do this (cough, sic). OK, you got me ... in the past I have done but I've always stated that it was my team and have focused more on what I think we could have done better in hindsight. I realise this year that I've over-rated us in previous years (gee, there's a surprise) as I think we've improved year-on-year but I left myself very little room in terms of setting a ranking for this year.
I always think ... knock off the top score or two, and do the same with the bottom couple, then you have a better outcome in terms of what people really think.

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snapdragon
From: Hamilton
Since: Apr 2013
Posts: 44

Don't use a dog as your lead character.

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ScottKennedy
From: Queenstown
Since: Apr 2014
Posts: 14

I think every film you make - whether it's for this competition or otherwise you end up learning a LOT. A few things that I always try and remember:

1 - Sound: Sound is way more important than visuals. If you can't hear the characters, everything else is pointless. We record all the audio with an H4n Zoom external mic on a boom and sync it in post. We also record ambient room sounds, foley, etc. we want full control of the audio in the final film.

2 - Script: don't write a script so long that you end up with a 15min rough cut. A page of double space script should be about a minute of screen time. Stick to that or you'll end up having to re-write your story in the edit so it fits into 7min.

3 - Keep it collaborative. If your extras are bored because they aren't engaged - engage them. Tell them to make up a character and give that character an arc. They may be miming in the background - but what are they miming.

4 - try and make a film that works outside the constructs of the competition. If it is dependant upon the wink to the camera when you use your required elements then you need to keep writing. The best films will always stand alone and still be cool out of context.

5 - Have fun - it has to be fun, it's too much work if it isn't fun!

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Taunise
From: Auckland
Since: May 2011
Posts: 365

Don't break up your film into acts or scenes with big title card sequences partway through, it breaks the flow.

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2018: The Land Before Rhyme (Musical + 10 Year) - Toowit Toowoo (ULTRA)
2017: Glasnost 2: Blood Moon (Supernatural) - Toowit Toowoo (ULTRA)
2016: Chasing Tail (Cat and Mouse) - Astronomollusc
2015: Glasnost (Buddy) - Fractal Pandas
2014: Entropy (Time Travel) - Toowit Toowoo
2013: Lights. Camera. Wasteland. (Reunion) - 42 Cents
2012: A Grave Mistake (Horror) - Toowit Toowoo
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Yossarian
From: Scouting is a thing
Since: May 2011
Posts: 38

in reply to Meatloaf:

I don't think reviewing your own film in the harsh light of day is necessarily a bad thing if you're open and upfront about it. But a pile up of "reviewers" giving a film 10 stars with the same piece of faux criticism ("If it was just for this one little bit it would have been amazing!!!" - really? you literally just gave it a perfect score)and then disappearing without ackowledging any of the other films in the heat is a bit obnoxious. And that's ignoring any subjective analysis of the films quality.

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Mista Teas
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 529

in reply to Yossarian:

I don't think reviewing your own film in the harsh light of day is necessarily a bad thing if you're open and upfront about it.

Sure, but they often turn into disclaimers or insights into the production of the film - which is all very interesting, but not a review! I think the future plan of having a Team Leader/Director comment area on the review page will solve this.

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Craig
Since: May 2011
Posts: 79

in reply to Section59:

Section59:

2. Have two editors and two editing machines.

+1. Had an assistant (aka "Saturday") editor and a second "rendering" laptop this year. Bliss.

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ScottKennedy
From: Queenstown
Since: Apr 2014
Posts: 14

in reply to Craig:

On thing that helps with render time is to render out sections of the final film that are completed and then re-import them into your editing program. The things that slow down a render are things like effects (colour manipulation, cross fades, text on the screen, etc.) If you have a section locked - export it and it's done.

we did that this year - we had our film finished except for the score. We exported it while our composer was finishing the music. We then added the music to the rendered sequence and re-rendered the completed film. The final render took less than 15min.

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2015 | Begged, Borrowed, Stolen - 48 Days Later (Last Person on Earth)
Dunedin City Awards: Best Film, Best Cinematography, Sexiest Looking Short, Best Song

2014 | Begged, Borrowed, Stolen - A Right Tool (Mistaken Identity)
*National Winner - Best Cinematography*
Nationally nominated for: Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Editing
Dunedin City Awards: Best Film, Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Editing, Sexiest Looking Short, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Art Direction

2013 | Begged, Borrowed, Stolen - Mental Note (Musical) [Dunedin City Finalist, National nominee: Best Make-up]
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