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Ant Timpson
From: New Zealand
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 341

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THIS YEARS GRAND FINAL JUDGING

This years judging will be slightly different for the Grand Final. City Winners DO NOT automatically go into the Grand Final.

- HEATS (Audience Faves)
- CITY WINNERS (Best of Each City)
- A GRAND FINAL JUDGING POOL (City Winners and selection of The Best of the Rest)
- GRAND FINAL (Best of the Pool + Wildcards)

As new regions join the comp and have a small amount of teams, it's becoming obvious that it is unfair for their city winners to automatically go into the Grand Final. We want the Grand Final to be the best representation of the competition and this is the way forward.

V48 did not receive NZONAIR funding for the series and GF for TV which means the TV series will be a Best of Compile show on U. So this years Grand Final this year will be a fun live event at the Civic in Auckland (Sat July 2nd). We expect to live stream this event like a Charlie Sheen nightmare for all in NZ to see. We hope to break the record for the biggest live webcast in NZ.

Everyone is invited to come along to that and have a great night.

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Thairocksuperstar
From: Wanaka
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 73

This sucks,
Feel for you Ant.

How about , Live Civic Final - recorded and released later online ala Apple keynote event. (on 48hrs site via vimeo or youtube etc)

Combine this with live tweeting at the event itself (yes, I know I got slated for suggesting this last year - and ,no , i'm not suggesting people have to tweet while movies are actually screening,) - Tweeting will possibly happen anyway?

Ant , if he wanted to, could record an intro to that online video also.

I'm sure, if there was an official Grand Finals type video (like last years C4 show but just not broadcast on tv) made available soon after - and I can only speak for Wanaka area here, but , Paradiso cinema would happily screen it and likely fill the room. Would other cinemas around the country also be keen to do that?
(I'm aware that funding a non broadcast "show" might be outside the affordability too though.)

Just trying to throw up some suggestions off the top of my head.

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Manta
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 15

in reply to Ant Timpson:

This is awesome, awesome news... I'm referring to the original post... I'm a little slow. LOL

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Ant Timpson
From: New Zealand
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 341

Well I have been inspired to try and do something more with the Grand Final. I have on an old friend who is a pretty smart dude with some kickass equipment. Stay tuned we may just have solved the issue of the Grand Final.

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Ant Timpson
From: New Zealand
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 341

Great phone call.
Houston we don't have a problem!

Get ready for some live streaming Grand Final action for all.

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Cardinal
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 182

I'm pretty much in favour of this. One question though - it seems from what I'm reading here that we have our individual city judging panels deciding our city competitions, (as usual) and our international grand final judges ranking the finalists and deciding the actual winners for us (as usual) - but who are the judges deciding which 10 (12? 15?) of the "Grand Final Judging Pool" makes it into the final to go before the international judges? A composite panel of judges from around the regions? Or will the final judges be selecting the finalists and grand winners amongst them both?

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Ant Timpson
From: New Zealand
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 341

It will be a Grand Final pool of more than that 10. It will be closer to 20. (dependent on a few factors.. # of teams etc)
And it will be selected by independent regional and some offshore.
As non-bias as we can make it.

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Cardinal
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 182

Good. Goooooooood.

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CrazyEyez
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 4

in reply to Shifty:

While is disagree that the competition should be fully broken up into amatuer and pro, I've always believed that there should be a prize for best amatuer team. Not just best new team, but a prize for a team full of people (cast and crew) who have absolutely no industry experience or training.
Just an idea :)

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Section59
From: Wlg/Chc
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 96

Please consider carefully before dividing between amateur and professionals. There have been plenty of instances where non-pros have won (well, in my mind there has been).

The fact that we are going up against professionals makes me want to lift my game, and energises me to do my best. It's not that I want to beat them - it's that I want my films to be as good as theirs', if not better.

There is nothing in the rules that says you can't win the competition by shooting it on a shitty little home cam, with your mum's aunty and the next door neighbour's dog in your back yard!

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DonnieDarko
From: Rotorua
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 31

in reply to Ant Timpson:

Hey Ant, just a thought...yes, surprisingly I do have them sometimes ;)
What if you asked everyone for a gold coin donation at the heats. I'd have no problem throwing some change into a bucket. It'll stop me from eating that plate of chips up at Denny's afterwards and my thighs will be very thankful. I may be wrong but I think most people will be OK with it. Seeing your work on a big screen's a buzz and believe me, I used to pay a hell of a lot more for a buzz than a few bucks. Don't make it mandatory...just something people can do to help out. You might be surprised. Cheers....see you at the finals.

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Andrew Todd
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 680

in reply to Section59:

The fact that we are going up against professionals makes me want to lift my game, and energises me to do my best.

QFT.

And the same goes for removing automatic regional representation in the national finals.

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Mononoki
From: Waiheke
Since: May 2011
Posts: 7

in reply to Ant Timpson:

Hey which films will Peter Jackson choose his wild cards from exactly???

Does he watch the majority of the films or does he just choose wildcards from the already selected finalist??

Thanks, would be interesting to know...

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Pete Holmes
From: Dunedin
Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 3

Whether you are for or against Amateur vs Professional split, I think it would be diffiucult to define. How would you define people like myself who work for a TV company, but not in the role that I take in 48 hours. What about students on film courses who have access to professional equipment? Or teams that have 5 amateurs but managed to draft in a professional actor.


What I would like to see if possible is more promotion of the under 18 category. These are the future of NZ film making and need to be encouraged and nutured as much as possible. How about a decent prize at the grand final for best damn Teen movie? Why give a camera to a team for best cinematography when they probably already have a good camera, when it could be given to the school of the best team film to encourage even better stuff from the following year.

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 664

Never mind that a split is probably impossible (where do you draw the line? a pro camerman? someone who has acted on Shortland St?), I think this year's winner tells us there's no need for a split.

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c0ina
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 297

pretty sure this years winners work in the industry?

not that that means anything at all, just saying - i'm not sure that this year's winner tells us anything at all re: a split.

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bexxgirl
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 41

I asked this in another thread but it's probably more appropriate to this one:

Does anyone know if the judges viewed all the films that were nominated for prizes in various categories, or did they only see the 20 films out of which the Grand Final films were chosen?

For example were the awards like best Teen Team decided by the Grand Final judging panel? Because if so, they would surely have had to view a lot more than 20 odd films...

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 664

in reply to c0ina:

All I mean is that they didn't do anything in terms of production that you couldn't do with any camera, any gear. They won because their actors gave a warm performance. No flash cameras or rigs, no grip truck, or any of that other shit, no editing trickery that requires years of experience. Just honest creativity and keenness.

I can't tell if any of the team are really pros, Tom Furniss & Tim Batt are stand-up comedians, I don't know about Cam Neate. I guess it depends on how you define pro?

Creativity is not the sole purview of the "pro" teams. And that's what won them the golden apee.

That's all I mean.

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toowit toowoo
From: Dunedin
Since: May 2011
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in reply to bexxgirl:

The category award nominees were simply the winners of that award from each city/region.

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bexxgirl
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 41

in reply to toowit toowoo:

Ah, so unlike with the films, these awards weren't re-judged... Did that then mean it was a foregone conclusion that only the acting nominees whose films were in the finals were actually ever eligible to win those awards?

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Dean
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 21

in reply to bexxgirl:

Did that then mean it was a foregone conclusion that only the acting nominees whose films were in the finals were actually ever eligible to win those awards?

I don't think that's a foregone conclusion at all. Who said they weren't re-judged? The nominees would all be compared with each other, without a doubt.

The regional acting winners are the only ones eligible to win the national prize and would be judged against each other - having a film in the final could be for heaps of reasons other than the acting. By the same token, a film can have really good acting and not progress to the national final.

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