VF48Hours 2020 Forum

Ness Patea
From: Wellington
Since: May 2011
Posts: 105

Feed for this Topic

How did you find your Genre's and the elements for 2018

Hi All,
We spent a lot of time and had some good discussions choosing the genres and elements this year, you may have noticed that we dropped the 'themes', had no character, prop or line of dialogue. I am curious how you found this year elements' - door-slamming, puddle and silhouette/shadow. Also, tell me about your genre and how that worked out.

2017 - 2019 - National Operations / Wellington City Manager
2016 - Wellington City Manager
2014 - 48 hours Blogger/Photographer
2012 - 48 hours Blogger/Photographer

Empire of Reason
2015 - Catch of the Day - Cat and Mouse

Traces of Nut
2013 - 'Sleeping Plot' - Crime - National WInner
2011 - 'Ruby Red' - Musical
2008 - 'Half a Horse' - Crime - Best DQed

Electric Pink Company
2010 - 'Fabricator' - Biopic
2009 - 'Electric Pink Company' - Dance
Reply

caketaker
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 21

I finally had a read-through of the full genre list and think they're great. There's so many that look like it would be fun to do and after reading the full genre list I'm even more amped to go see what everyone else has come up with!

ULTRA again was a mixed bag — sometimes it felt limiting but at the same time that may have been a blessing in disguise? I like the idea of ULTRA as a make-or-break challenge, much like musical as a genre. So, either you'll fail horribly, OR make the best film you've ever made.

Changing up the required elements was a nice touch though I do love seeing how each team uses their line of dialogue every year. There were a lot of panic moments throughout the weekend also when I was convinced we had missed an element.

Decile One
2019 - Past-It Notes - Time Travel - "Today is the first day of the past of your life" - [Wellington City Finalist]
2018 - Minor Transgressions - Fish-out-of-water Movie - "We're rich!!" - ULTRA
2017 - Discord II: Alienated - Alien Movie + Non-dialogue Movie + Redemption - "..." - ULTRA
2016 - Last August - Time Travel - "Are you sure you want to do this?"
2015 - Six Seconds of Fame - Muscial/Rockumenatry - "My garage is a palace / it locks you out"
2014 - False Profit - Musical - "No one wants to hear their future is shit"
2013 - Discord - Non-Dialogue - "..." - [Dunedin City Finalist + Best Sound Design + Best Actress]
2011 - U Creations - Body Switch - "But now, I can see the moles on my wife's face, instead of just tasting them!"
2011 - DejaV - [V48Seconds] - "A DejaV is a glitch in the Matrix." [People's Choice Award]
2010 - The Rook - Femme Fatale - "Trust? You just wanna fuck her!"

RRRFOFES! - NATIONAL BEST DAMN TEEN TEAM YEAH
2009 - d r i p - The M Night Shyamalan Big Twist Movie - "Ohh, the knives!" [Hamilton City Finalist + Best Sound Design]
2008 - The Chronicles of Jeff-Man - Superhero/Fairytale - "Never fear!!!"
Reply

steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 329

I have my fingers massively crossed that we're going to see a wider variety of uses of the elements this year.

However will as always be interesting how many went with the "first thing that comes to mind approach". These were mine...

Door Slamming = 1. On somebody 2. Accidentally 3. As someone angrily leaves

Shadow = 1. Of Death 2. Chasing characters' own shadow

Silhouette = Announcing the arrival of the most important character in the film

Puddle = 1. Of Mud 2. Of Tears 3. Of Rain - kicked into another character or the character gets sploshed.

I was kiiiind of guilty of doing a shadow of death but pretty pleased with how it turned out ;)

Reply

steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 329

Also, no "Horror" but Monster/Splatstick/Back from the Dead = horror fan's dream! :D

Reply

CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 420

I think on reflection it was interesting to see the elements really shaken up. Not having a line of dialogue or a character, prop. In the past I would always use the character as a launch point for the script but like last year it was good to be thrown a bit but not too much.
The door slam felt a little pedestrian to me, I guess like the elements of the past the challenge is how creatively can you implement it, I guess the puddle is the same.
Silhouette/Shaddow is an interesting one because it can be quite a powerful story telling device with all sorts of possibility.
I thought this years Ultra was a pretty good barometer for what Ultra should be, It throws you off your guard and says be prepared for anything. I think it's the only thing this year which felt restrictive but then it wasn't so restrictive as to be impossible. I do think it favours the more resourceful team though, the saying about not working with animals or children I think is a pretty flexible thing in terms of difficulty. There are some really gifted kids out there with solid acting chops if you can get them and then there is grabbing the first kids you can get and hope that they'll co-operate enough to gather the footage you need for the script. When I was leaving the Hollywood cinema all I could think was "I wonder how hard it would be to get a cat trainer with a cat on the team and is it even possible at such sort notice?" I tooled with the idea of filming my cat on green screen but I decided it would be easier to go with children than work with an untrained cat who is timid around strangers.

Team Spielberg craigbickerstaff@me.com +64212166821
The longest running non-finalist in the competition.
2019 Burgled on High : Musical ULTRA
2018 The How, The What, The Who and The Why : The Heist Movie ULTRA
2017 Operator Part II Twin Souls : Thriller/Horror One Room ULTRA
2016 The Real Time Movie : What kind of day has it been
2015 Other Dimension Movie : Rift
2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
Sakura Productions
2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
Reply

mikedensem
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 346

We used a metaphorical puddle in our dialogue. Then on Sunday I reviewed the rules and decided that perhaps we need an actual puddle (to be seen) so we threw one in at the most appropriate place. Very subtle and hopefully won't be noticed but it's there just in case the rules are that strict!

--------------------
2019 - Maximum of 30 characters - The Holiday Movie:
Cabin Fever
2018 - Silence of the LAMZ - The Last day on Earth Movie: An Appointment with a Poo
2017 - (Guardian for two school teams)
-- Fart Chicken Productions - Musical (Transformation): TRANSformation
-- Kitty Aye Aye Films - Survival (Fate): Best Day Ever
2016 - (Guardian for two school teams)
-- Fart Chicken Productions - Horror: Glitchers
-- Kitty Aye Aye Films -Time Travel: One More Time(s)
2015 - (Guardian for two school teams)
-- Fart Chicken Productions - Musical: Find a Way
-- Kitty Aye Aye Films - Mad Science: Kitty-Matic 2000
2014 - Slept through this whole year...
2013 - [boo hoo - didn't participate]
2012 - The Juxtaposition - Action Movie: INFUSION
2011 - Princess Zoe Films - Fad Movie: Contra-fable-gooble 'ness
2010 - Princess Zoe Films (Rubber Tears) - Road Movie: 'Whole Wide World'
2009 - Team 'Rubber Tears' - Parallel World: 'Smoke and Mirrors'
2008 - Team 'Rubber Tears' - Juvenile Delinquent: 'Lipstick Karma'
2007 - Team 'Rubber Tears' - Grindhouse: 'Grindhouse Day Presents'
2006 - Team 'Rubber Tears' - War/Western: 'An Unruly Patch of Land'
2005 - Team 'Imagic Mushrooms' - Pretentious Art: 'Erar Muidem'
Reply

dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1353

There was a serious discussion at our writing session to hit all three in one shot.
Didn't end up that way, but it could have been quite good.

2019 Depart'ners Buddy
2018 Thanks to the Academy Heist Ultra
2017 Forelsket Nutbar Films Buddy Sacrifice
2016 Con Troll Alt Delete Nutbar Films Horror Fan Favourite. City Finalist for Make-Up
2015 Hide and Seek Nutbar Films Mystery
2014 Confessions Nutbar, with a taste of Nimlin Film, within a film
2013 Made Maid Nutbar Films City Finalist for POV Shot Robot/Cyborg/Android
2012 I Still Dream in Colour Nutbar Films Action
2011 Raptured Golden Carrot Films Mystery
2010 Fraternal Fabrication Golden Carrot Films Twin
2009 I love you this much Golden Carrot Films Romance
2008 Luke Walker and the Golden Carrot William Shatner's Pants Animal
Reply

Bock_Simon
From: Christchurch
Since: Sep 2017
Posts: 8

Yip, the genres were spot on this year guys - loved the little twists etc in each one and the uniqueness of each one.
The ULTRA rule was much harder than last year - but that's not a bad thing at all. We really struggled initially - but at the end I think we have made a far better film than we would have.
Keep it up! nice to see a shake up in the competition energy, tone and vibes - things were getting stale there for a while and very sarcastic. It's great to see some new faces on board with a real love for films and the challenge of 48.

JAGBOG
Just a Good Bunch of Guys

2018 - Eric & Leo
2017 - Night Guards - A Rising Tide Chronicle
2016 - (As 'Residual Talent') Sole Mates
2015 - Early To Rise
2014 - Rising Tide
2013 - 158
2012 - She'll Be Right 2 - Nah She Bloody Won't
2011 - She'll Be Right
Reply

Searlo
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 95

I think you nailed the genres this year.

And Ultra: magnificent. Really made us think of some ideas that were well outside our comfort zone. Much more than last year.

10/10 will Ultra again.

TBALC
2019: D.O.C FORCE: DEATH ISLAND
2018: THE SPARES
2017: DOWN 2 THE WIRE
2016: DOWN TO THE WIRE
2016: WINDOWS
2015: THE SILENT MAN
2014: THE EX
2013: QUARRELSOME HEAT
2012: NICKY + EVE 19/5
2011: BAND OF BULLIES
2010: I AM SINGLE
2009: NEW FISH
2008: UBERMENSCH
2007: PAINKILLER: THE SICK SENSE
2006: WORM FLU AND YOU
Reply

Bubblecube8
From: Auckland
Since: Sep 2017
Posts: 3

Yikes, we got Splatstick, and on top of the fact that this was only our second year competing, we're all 14 year old High School students with no money... So we had to pull a few tricks to make the gore look realistic (or in most cases comically unrealistic). We had a-lot of fun though and I think it turned out great! Never had to chance to make something this ambitious before so it was really cool seeing a-lot of our vision come to life (especially for one VFX gag that took many hours to put together). We were all relieved we didn't get the musical amalgamation though. A small team of tone deaf pubescent teens wouldn't sound too good on the ears.

Big Boys | Team Leader / Director
2019 | Sardines - Real Time
2018 | Day Out - Splatstick - Letterboxd - Best School Team (Auckland)
2017 | KNIFE JOGGER: THE FINAL CUT - Survival - Letterboxd
Reply

Calvin Sang
Since: May 2011
Posts: 14

Genres all seemed super fun, and although I was nervous that we'd get musical - I was less so because we already did it last year.

We ended up with Splatstick, which pushed us in a very different direction than normal, but I'm really happy how it turned out.

Elements were pretty easily integrated into the story without much difficulty. I think the challenge will be to see who did it in more original and creative ways.

We also did Ultra, which we found much better than last year. I think there was definitely some confusion about how many of your main characters needed to be children/animals, but I think we approached this in a pretty creative way.

Reply

steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 329

Definitely some confusion there Calvin. Multiple posts by judges/organisers saying all the main characters and yet on the official blurb for requirements for Ultra said supporting characters could be adults. Looking forward to your film! :)

Reply

AJ
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 397

As someone who has watched well over 200 films in this year's haul, I have to say, the two genres that stick out the most and frequent a lot of the shortlists are "Wish" and "Fish Out of Water".

I'd say this is because they both intrinsically give the script a leg up in the character arc department. As Andrew said, "Wish" gives your character a desire so you're able to start with any number of tried and true story structures around a character wanting something, and "Fish Out of Water" immediately places your character in a place where they're able to react and journey into unfamiliar territory, which often results in at least an interesting story with some amount of flavour.

When suggesting genres next year, I'm gonna take this kind of stuff into consideration and see if we can come up with a few more head start genres.

For the record, while not necessarily the worst genres, I'd say the most 'samey' films come from "Technological Thriller" and "Heist". This of course means when there is a unique one in these genres, it pops, but I would have liked to have seen a touch more originality in the various takes on these genres.

Christchurch City Manager 2018-2019 | My Favourite 48Hour Films | The 48Hours Podcast

Les Cousins Dangereux
2017 Not Again (Alien)
Christchurch Runner-Up | National Finalist (Peter Jackson Wildcard)
2016 A Time and a Place (Time Travel) ( Behind the Scenes Video)
NA
2015 #apocalypse2k15 (The Last Person on Earth) ( Behind the Scenes Video)
Christchurch City Finalist/Best Art Direction
2014 Something New (RomCom)
Christchurch Runner-Up/Best Use of Line/Best Script/Best Original Song/Best Editing | National Best Use of Prop
2013 Bourbon Legends (Crime)
NA
Reply

steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 329

That's quite interesting AJ, because 'heist' also gives characters a theoretical desire right? Do you think it's the more fantastical nature of "wish" that's given it an edge?

Interestingly enough there were 5 techno thrillers on the Wellington shortlist.

Ultimately though I agree re: heist after the Wellington heats. Bit of a dud.

I do agree though, genres that propel storylines rather than genres that are more tropes or stylistic/technical requirements have always given teams a leg up.

Having said that 'grindhouse' and 'arthouse' were both amazing in previous years but had massive hit and miss ratios.

Reply

AJ
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 397

in reply to steelpotato:

That's quite interesting AJ, because 'heist' also gives characters a theoretical desire right? Do you think it's the more fantastical nature of "wish" that's given it an edge?

What a good counterpoint!

I would say, while both "Wish" and "Heist" give characters a desire, "Heist" seems to be more steeped in cliche. There are more genre conventions with "Heist" which people (don't have to but) tend to follow. "Wish" is a lot more simple and open.

With "Technological Thriller", a lot of them tended to be quite well made, but their central concepts were all very similar, vaguely following sentient computers/software attacking humans, or a LOT of sterile white office buildings and labs. The idea behind the genre was basically supposed to be "Make a mini black mirror episode", though even Black Mirror itself is getting a little stale with its ideas these days.

Christchurch City Manager 2018-2019 | My Favourite 48Hour Films | The 48Hours Podcast

Les Cousins Dangereux
2017 Not Again (Alien)
Christchurch Runner-Up | National Finalist (Peter Jackson Wildcard)
2016 A Time and a Place (Time Travel) ( Behind the Scenes Video)
NA
2015 #apocalypse2k15 (The Last Person on Earth) ( Behind the Scenes Video)
Christchurch City Finalist/Best Art Direction
2014 Something New (RomCom)
Christchurch Runner-Up/Best Use of Line/Best Script/Best Original Song/Best Editing | National Best Use of Prop
2013 Bourbon Legends (Crime)
NA
Reply

Andrew Todd
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 673

I feel like "Heist" is about plot and "Wish" is about character, personally. It's pretty rare that heist films involve stealing something that's of personal importance to the main character. It's all MacGuffin.

In a 48HOURS sense, the genres tend to immediately (but not exclusively) suggest a plot, a style, a location, a tone, or a character element...it's up to the teams to take that up and do the rest themselves, or to do something entirely unique.

GHOST SHARK 2: URBAN JAWS available for download or stream
Senior Contributor at Birth.Movies.Death

2019 - "Розкол (Schism)" - Science Fiction (National finalist, Chch 3rd place + Best Cinematography)
2018 - "Утка (Utka)" - Wish (National finalist, Chch winner + Best Script + Best Animation, official selection Kiev International Short Film Festival)
2011-2017 - Christchurch 48HOURS City Manager
2010 - "I Am Single" - Rom-Com (Chch finalist + Best Art Direction)
2009 - "New Fish" - Musical (National runner-up + Best Score, Chch winner)
2008 - "Übermensch" - Horror (Chch finalist)
2007 - "Pain Killer: The Sick Sense" - Superhero (Chch finalist)
ALSO - "As Of Yet Unfinished" (2012, unofficial); "The Contender" (2010, finals intro)
Reply

TheNimbleMarmoset
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2012
Posts: 198

in reply to Andrew Todd:

I feel like "Heist" is about plot and "Wish" is about character, personally.

Yup, 100% agree with this. And thinking back on the genres we've got over the years, probably my two least favourite were "Quest" and "Action", cos they gave you a ton of the first, and nothing beyond tropes for the second.

SOUTH JERSEY GHOST RESEARCH
2019 - "Catman and Robyn" (The Secret Identity Movie)
2018 - "Cushy: A Pull Story" (The Film That Spans More Than Ten Years)

TBALC
2017 - "Down 2 The Wire". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2016 - "Down To The Wire" (Bechdel)
2016 - "Windows" (Mystery). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2011 - "Band Of Bullies" (Quest)
2015 - "The Silent Man" (Mystery). . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2010 - "I Am Single" (Rom Com)
2014 - "The Ex" (Rom Com). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2009 - "New Fish" (Musical)
2013 - "Quarrelsome Heat" (Action/Adventure). . . 2008 - "Übermensch" (Horror)
2012 - "Nicky + Eve 19/5" (One Shot) . . . . . . . . . . .2007 - "Pain-Killer: The Sick Sense" (Superhero)

EVIL GENIUS LABS
2005 - "Bruised Gold" (Documentary)
Reply

Steve Austin
From: Auckland, New Zealand
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 127

Two nights of heats down in Auckland and the biggest element issue is folks simply not integrating the puddle properly... most it's just someone incidentally walking through a wet spot on their way elsewhere. Hpwever, there have been a couple of rather good blood puddles and a pregnancy breaking water.

2017 - "Gym Buddy" - Buddy Movie - 6 Million Bucks - Team Leader/Executive Producer
2016 - "Jour du Biscuit" - Comedy of Errors - 6 Million Bucks - Team Leader/Director/The Police Detective
2015 - "The Breadmaker" - Last Person On Earth - Ask Me Tomorrow - Doctor Harper Harrison Senior/Stylin Beta
2013 - "Quarrelsome Heat" - Action/Advanture - TBALC - Carruthers/The Sandman
2012 - "Surcease" - Inspirational - Hybrid Motion Pictures - Production Co-ordinator
2011 - "Roundelay" - Mystery - Hybrid Motion Pictures - Producer, Co-Writer
2005-2010 - OPERATIONS MANAGER (2009/10) & THAT THERE CHRISTCHURCH CITY MANAGER GUY (2005-2010)
2004 - Buddy Movie - (Tape destroyed/files lost)
Reply

steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 329

I've probably seen the least ingenuity out of a required element from the puddle out of anything I can think of in 48Hours. But even with a huge number of teams just running through a puddle to start their film it never actually seemed jarring.

Funnily enough I swear there were some pretty clever play on word approaches when the required character was 'Alex Puddle' one year.

2 pregnancy break puddles in Wellington that I can recall. Might have been 3. 1 DQ and the other my own film haha.

Reply

Mista Teas
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 529

in reply to steelpotato:

But even with a huge number of teams just running through a puddle to start their film it never actually seemed jarring.

I agree. It's kind of what you do with a puddle (run through it, jump over it, step into when you're not watching) so it was a natural fit all the times it featured this way in CHCH films. In fact, it was barely noticeable because of this so while not imaginative it was, I would argue, well integrated. A few teams used it it reflect a character which I'd also argue is not that imaginative. And using a puddle of blood doesn't suit every genre or story.

SCREENING NOW: End - Real Time; CHCH25s
REVISIT: The Stile - Star-crossed Lovers; ULTRA48; CHCH25s

Everything Sticks since 2008
48Hr Films 2008-2019 48Sec Films 2008-2016

Mista Teas (Stu Gilpin) NATIONAL WINNER "Best/Most Prolific Reviewer" 2011 REVIEWS ARCHIVE
Reply

DogsBreakfast
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 291

There were a couple of films in our heat that seemed to have a long shot of a puddle but for no real reason, other than it was required - or maybe I just missed the subtlety of the meaning.

We went with the slipping in a puddle of bodily fluid 🙂

2019 "The Drop" - Secret Identity - ULTRA SOLOish
2018 "Furry" - The Wish Movie - ULTRA DUO - Heat 3 runner up Audience Favourite
2017 "The Grove 2: Survival with a vengeance" - Survival ULTRA
2016 "A Baaaaad Habit" - Bro Movie
2015 "Barry's World" - Other Dimension - Best Animation Auckland region
2014 "Brick Impact" - Race Against the Clock - Auckland Finalist - Heat 5 runner up Audience Favourite
2013 "Frankie goes to Horrorwood" - Horror - Heat 6 - runner up Audience Favourite
2012 "Brick's Quest" - Fantasy Adventure - Heat 8 - Audience Favourite
2011 "Playin the Game" - Mystery
2010 " Syd's Garage - a study in Autoeroticism" - Musical - Heat 4 - Audience Favourite
2009 "Doggone" - Family Movie (was a doggone waste of time)
2008 "Sounds of Romance" - Romance
2007 "The Grove" - Crime - Auckland finalist, best script award
Reply