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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
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Dear Ant Timpson

Dear Ant (may I call you Ant, it sounds kinda small for such an important person, but until I hear otherwise, Ant it shall be),
For 48 Hours 2017, we the members of the forum who are addicted to your competition enough to come here at other times of the year would like to create a list of things we'd like you to consider in regards to the competition next year.
Since I'm starting, I'l start.
1. More communication about when the competition is going to be. Facts fight fears. Announce the date early and let teams get their shit together.
2. Have it in its traditional slot of April/May. This is entirely personal (my cameraman loves going to Burning Man and since they won't change the dates of that- I know, priorities huh) it would be stellar if you could keep it where it should be.
3. Have optional extras in the elements. For example, there are the bog standard elements, then have one or two that teams can choose to add on (because we/they are sadists). I'm thinking of another character trait, or a location, or a sound effect, or an allusion, or something like that.
I'm hoping that some others will add their thoughts.
Thanks for listening Ant,
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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 400

Optional extra elements sounds... interesting. On one hand, it must be hard enough to come up with different elements every year, on the other hand there's sadists like you who enjoy making life difficult for themselves.

4. Change rule number 14 "Cast and crew can be volunteers or professionals." back to only volunteers. It's a small thing, but I think it's important for the spirit of the competition.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

in reply to IctusMortem:

Seconded.

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steelpotato
From: wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 310

I believe they had optional elements in the very early years (a red scarf comes to mind in 2005?) but from memory not many teams did utilise it. Would also love early dates this year :)

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jjosland
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2015
Posts: 74

Yes would be good to know as am thinking about training a school team for my students to enter on their own, despite them being quite young, and will also need time to make some more guns for myself.

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NITRO
From: Wellington
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 382

in reply to IctusMortem:

It does mean you don't get DQ'd for hiring a crane and driver. Had that prob for moonlight shorts

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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 400

in reply to NITRO:

True, didn't think of that, it'd certainly be interesting trying convince an unpaid crane driver to do their thing.
Though the ingenuity of some of the rigs created for 48 Hours to do some of the fancier shots is amazing, so there's options if you've got the resources etc.
Neither of which normally apply to me and my various teams' lo-fi productions. :D

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applesandoranges
From: gisborne
Since: Feb 2017
Posts: 1

Separate award categories for amateur and professional filmmakers! and an open categories where all can go head to head.

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NITRO
From: Wellington
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 382

in reply to IctusMortem:

now of course i'd just run the drone up :D

The point of it all is that it really doesn't matter if people are paid or not - I don't think it's made any major difference to the chance of winning anyway.

If you start segregating then you start arguing over "was he paid or just reimbursed" and "whats the difference between paying a caterer to bring us food and paying for pizza delivery"

I run a film gear company, but my day job is for someone else. am I a pro or enthusiastic amateur. My actors had extra roles, maybe a line or two in rings, hobbit, GITS etc ... are they pro... where is the cut off point

I think that demonstrates the type of thing that becomes a nightmare for ant and crew to negotiate - hence dropping the 'no paid' rules

disclaimer: this is my own analysis - I'm not reading Ants mind. :D

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

in reply to NITRO:

I agree with the horrific blurring of lines that emerges.
I don't think a pro/amateur split would work.
I think you could have a 'first timers' category and everyone must be a first timer. Even experienced filmmakers struggle with the timelines of this beast.

Still waiting on dates... (the competition kind)

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Robstar Rapper
From: Gisborne
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 126

in reply to applesandoranges:

Separate award categories for amateur and professional filmmakers! and an open categories where all can go head to head.

I don't think that's necessary. The quality of my films are borderline shocking. lol Yet we we're able to run with the big guns. You from Gisborne? What team we're you in?

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zer05um
From: Auckland (ex Taranaki)
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 120

in reply to dramamike:

Early heads up on the dates would be really good. Lots of people to try to herd in the same direction is always a challenge, without the rush of short time-scales for the announcement.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

in reply to zer05um:

Disappointing that I've had no reply from them. I've posted on the Facebook page and also sent them a message on FB, but no reply...

Even a ballpark time would be nice. The silence is disturbing.

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Robstar Rapper
From: Gisborne
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 126

in reply to dramamike:

Thing is Mike I believe Ant is still trying to secure a sponsor/s. Rialto leaving left a huge void. Just give it some time my dude. Besides, the 48 wasn't too long ago. Just like Star Wars man, you can't expect the sequel straight away.

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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

in reply to Robstar Rapper:

I thought HP had signed on for several years.

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Robstar Rapper
From: Gisborne
Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 126

in reply to dramamike:

I don't know about that, but I'm all goods with waiting. :)

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2013 - Team Indeed 'SuperHero Musical'
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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

Oooh, movement.
Last year's finalist have been moved to the bottom spot on the forums, not sitting atop the throne any longer.

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2013 Made Maid Nutbar Films City Finalist for POV Shot Robot/Cyborg/Android
2012 I Still Dream in Colour Nutbar Films Action
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Ant Timpson
From: New Zealand
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 340

Hi Dramamike.

Apologies for the delay.
I didn't realise anyone still comes to the forums.
Couldn't find your post on FB>. will check again.

We can only announce the date once we have one.
It's not going to be April/May unfortunately.
More like possible mid Aug date. TBC.

We can easily make the elements harder for 2017
that's an easy ask to fill..

Done.




3. Have optional extras in the elements. For example, there are the bog standard elements, then have one or two that teams can choose to add on (because we/they are sadists). I'm thinking of another character trait, or a location, or a sound effect, or an allusion, or something like that.
I'm hoping that some others will add their thoughts.
Thanks for listening Ant,
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dramamike
From: Wellington
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 1338

in reply to Ant Timpson:

Ant,
Thanks for the update.
Much appreciated.
Nutbar.

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2015 Hide and Seek Nutbar Films Mystery
2014 Confessions Nutbar, with a taste of Nimlin Film, within a film
2013 Made Maid Nutbar Films City Finalist for POV Shot Robot/Cyborg/Android
2012 I Still Dream in Colour Nutbar Films Action
2011 Raptured Golden Carrot Films Mystery
2010 Fraternal Fabrication Golden Carrot Films Twin
2009 I love you this much Golden Carrot Films Romance
2008 Luke Walker and the Golden Carrot William Shatner's Pants Animal
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zer05um
From: Auckland (ex Taranaki)
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 120

in reply to Ant Timpson:

Hey Ant,

Thanks for the feedback (should have posted this ages ago and just realised that I hadn't). That's awesome. Even an approximate like that is enough that I can begin to work at things to get various student teams ready.

In terms of additions / changes etc, I've often wondered if Silent Film could be a genre - time to dig out the dialogue cards!

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2015 [Auckland] He's got the moves - Musical or Dance
2014 [Auckland] Decay Rate - Mistaken Identity
2013 [Auckland] Backup/Restore - Robots, Cyborgs & Androids
2012 [Auckland] Cherry Π - Romantic Comedy
2011 [Auckland] Things Best Forgotten - Mystery Not so much Late as completely absent...
2010 [Taranaki] Broken - Road Movie - Regional Prizes: Sound & Vision Sexiest Short | Most Realistic Moment
2009 [Hamilton] Te Hararei - Family Film - Te Reo Maori Language Film
2008 [Hamilton] 47:53:00 - Horror Late
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NITRO
From: Wellington
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 382

in reply to Ant Timpson:

I do ;)

Stuff on face book is ok for "right now" but people are starting to move back to forums for things that stick around. FB is also just one timeline, not organised topic.

Ok ...organised is a relative term ;)

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