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dmanthei
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 418

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Life After The V48

I'm just curious whether or not the rest of you do any other video endeavors the rest of the year,
or, like a beautiful and precious flower, you just pop up for a weekend once a year.

I typically do a few video projects throughout the year,
but they're usually favors that people ask of me (interviews, adverts, whatever),
intermingled with some fun stuff (I have a Youtube channel where I post slow-motion junk).

I'd really like to start making more shorts on my own
as (probably, in part, due to the DQ) I'm really itching to get better at this stuff
and it's more fun than probably any other hobby I do,
though it's definitely the most demanding.

How about the rest of you?
Professional video jockey? Computer nerd? Vanilla lay-person?

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2013 - Robocrop - "The Price of Pilsner" Horror
2012 - Robocrop - "Promises" Crime - DQed (Nominated Best DQed Film)
2011 - Robocrop - "Protocol" One Room (Crime) - LATE
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Cardinal
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 85

TBALC's typical modus operandi is to say "we really must do more film stuff between 48HRs weekends" and then not do any film stuff between 48HRS weekends.

I think we all have the intent, but one thing the competition is great for is setting aside 2 days for filmmaking purposes and basically forcing you to make one. Between kids, jobs, and one thing and another, getting together at other times of the year is a case of herding cats.

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 268

I keep telling myself I will keep making shorts or even attempt to get a feature written before the next 48 hours but I never do, I'm just useless at writing. The only reason I've managed to finish 48hours scripts in the past is I beat myself up until I have something that resembles a plot with some dialogue then I go to sleep at 5 am hoping the cast and crew will have the good sense to tell me it's shit and we need to change a line or 2 before it makes sense.
It would be fantastic if I could just pick up the phone to some writer and say "Listen old chap, I want to make a road movie this week or maybe a spy thriller can you bash one out for me?" but I have to write them myself because If I did that with any of the writers I know I suspect they would tell me some version of sod off.

That said I do continue getting practice filming various and or editing various things so it's not like my EX1r is going to sit around doing nothing I just wish I could get myself to practice writing more.

Recently I've had the idea that I could start a monthly or bimonthly writing competition similar to V48hours except you spend 48 hours writing a short with various elements and then everyone else in the competition reviews everyone else's films, I think it could work but not sure what I would do for prizes or something I guess just the idea that I have feedback on my script would be incentive enough to actually write something I could attempt to shoot.

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2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
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Searlo
From: Christchurch
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 30

I normally produce 3 or 4 shorts throughout the year. Am fortunate with not having the children commitment - and it keeps me sane from my pretty stressful day job.

I like Craig's idea. The pressure of having other people wanting to read your script (and judging it in a supportive way) is great incentive.

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dmanthei
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 418

I like Craig's idea, too.

I don't have kids (yet), but the wife prevents me from wholly devoting myself to my hobbies,
though I have enough of them at this point for them to do a good enough job on their own
of preventing me from getting too deep into any of 'em.

I wonder if anyone would be keen for a less intense 48-hour-film competition
at some point later in the year.

It never made sense to me to have it in May,
as the sunlight and temperatures aren't ideal.

2014 - Robocrop - "Pads of Passion" RomCom (Best Original Score - Christchurch)
2013 - Robocrop - "The Price of Pilsner" Horror
2012 - Robocrop - "Promises" Crime - DQed (Nominated Best DQed Film)
2011 - Robocrop - "Protocol" One Room (Crime) - LATE
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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 369

I try to make some short film-y kind of stuff, but every time I try to organise actors or anyone else to be part of it they won't put anything aside to help. So if I want a few people then I have to find a day where all of them have absolutely nothing on, not even a possible pizza night with a cousin they've barely met, and then try to herd them. As cardinal said, it's like herding cats.
So then I'd plan something that I can do all myself - which is how I discovered I hated seeing myself on camera as I edited shots of my face.
Meh, I'll figure it out someday.

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themorgan
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 462

I make silly stuff like this:

And this:

But nothing really narrativey, it's so much work, I need the 48hours to really focus on, it gives me an excuse to clear away all the distractions. In theory this is nothing I couldn't do myself, in practice it's invaluable.

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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 369

in reply to themorgan:

"And look out for buses" got a surprised laugh out of me.......

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dmanthei
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 418

Hahaha, those are great, themorgan!

I totally "get" the focus of the v48
as, for me as well, it allowed me to put everything else on hold
and really buckle down and focus on a film.

2014 - Robocrop - "Pads of Passion" RomCom (Best Original Score - Christchurch)
2013 - Robocrop - "The Price of Pilsner" Horror
2012 - Robocrop - "Promises" Crime - DQed (Nominated Best DQed Film)
2011 - Robocrop - "Protocol" One Room (Crime) - LATE
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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 509

I don't really make anything outside 48HOURS, there are a couple of reasons, but the primary one is probably to do with the fact that I am making TV every day at work, it's demanding and I often lack the motivation to add personal projects (doing essentially the same thing) on top of that.

The other reason is that I have wife and kids and the time I'm not at work is pretty consistently devoted to spending with them.

Which then brings me onto the things I like most about 48HOURS, they are two-fold but basically boil down to: it's finite and predictable.

I know ahead of time when I'm going to make the film, it's one weekend a year - I have only one choice: then, or not at all. So that's easy. And I know how long I'm going to spend on it - a weekend, no more.

Almost everyone I know who's made their own short films and similar projects has spent ages making it - things get postponed, schedules move and massive amounts of time get devoted to it. It's not predictable nor finite.

Also I still think the vast majority of short films (and indie features) suffer from the lack of deadlines and usually zero-cost... The makers over think and over produce their film. They make it too complex and too clever, and then they spend way too long in editing tweaking, reshooting, tweaking, changing until at the end they have a product that's nothing like what was originally planned (and usually worse).

And one very last thing - if I make a short film as part of 48HOURS it's got a guaranteed audience and a guaranteed screening. With luck it might make it further in competition and get another screening in front of a big audience. If I make a short film outside of 48HOURS it's highly unlikely it will ever been seen on a big screen and probably by fewer people anyway.

So in summary - nope. I don't make any other short films outside 48HOURS.

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2013 | Robot/Android/Cyborg | Incredibly Advanced Robotics
2012 | Fantasy Adventure | Tilting at Windmills
2011 | One Room (Quest) | The Office Quest
2010 | Musical/Dance | Professional Dancer
2009 | Musical/Dance | All's Fair
2008 | Drama | The End (Auckland Winner)
2007 | Crime | The Big Job
2006 | Action/Adventure | Three Heroes Against Terror (City Finalist)
2005 | Romance | Fruits of Passion
2004 | Action/Adventure | The Sceptre of MacGuffin (City Finalist)
2003 | Cop/Crime | Forensic Investigation Team
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Peter Haynes
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 88

I look for other film contests to enter....did rather well in the last one...

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Moonlight shorts 2006 - 'Two Worlds' (Finalist)
48hrs 2006 - 'Phairytale' (Fairytale) Audience fave, Regional finals, Best Actress
48hrs 2007 - 'Cowboys and Indians' (Western) Audience fave
48hrs 2008 - 'Three's a Crowd' (Romance)
48hrs 2009 - 'The Loneliest Vampire' (Musical) Audience fave, Regional Finals, Best score
48hrs 2010 - 'Two Timer' (Time Travel) Audience fave, Regional Finals
48scs 2011 - 'The Human Centi-V'
48hrs 2011 - 'Stuck in the Mini with you' (National Winner: Best Road Movie)
ABC's of Death - 'T is for Talk' - 2nd Place internationally
48hrs 2012 - 'Blackout' (Found Footage) Regional Finals
MMHM 2013 - 'Penance' - Final 6
48hrs 2014 - 'Flicker' (Time Travel) Audience fave, Regional Finals

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Sam Spooner
From: Auckland
Since: May 2012
Posts: 37

Im trying to make a living in this industry, but have no work, so my team is making stuff pretty consistantly because we can. It all goes on youtube, or it doesnt, but most of it is just little skits so not story based like V48. Working on a fresh shorts proposal now though.

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2013 - NZSS - Converging Storylines Film 3rd Audience Favorite
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IctusMortem
Since: May 2012
Posts: 369

in reply to Peter Haynes:

Fascinating. Random, but fascinating. Certainly kept my attention.

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dmanthei
From: Christchurch
Since: May 2011
Posts: 418

Yeah, really well done, but... morbid.
I've steered clear of most of the "ABCs of Death" for that reason.

Cool to hear that you did well internationally, though.
It's an impressive short.

Dylan, you bring up a bunch of points that I really like about the v48 too,
namely the general predictability and the finite nature of it.

I haven't had any great ideas for short films that I have yet to pursue myself,
but the knowledge that post-production can go on indefinitely is something I've been conceptually grappling with lately.

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2013 - Robocrop - "The Price of Pilsner" Horror
2012 - Robocrop - "Promises" Crime - DQed (Nominated Best DQed Film)
2011 - Robocrop - "Protocol" One Room (Crime) - LATE
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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 268

I got pretty excited about the ABC's of death competition but my script consisted of an opening shot that I thought would be really cool and didn't advance much further then that.

Before V48hours 2011 I made a serious attempt at a Fresh Shorts proposal but it didn't make it through, left a bit of a chip on my shoulder for the 48 hours that year when one of the directors for premiere shorts was thoroughly unimpressed that I was on my 7th 48 hours and still hadn't been a finalist.

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2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
Sakura Productions
2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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DylanReeve
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 509

in reply to dmanthei:

I haven't had any great ideas for short films that I have yet to pursue myself,
but the knowledge that post-production can go on indefinitely is something I've been conceptually grappling with lately.

I know of films that have languished in post for literally years. It's insane. Even TV shows I've worked on have suffered from too much fiddling in post. There's the desire to keep fiddling until it's actually worse. I think it helps to have hard deadlines to that a decision is forced otherwise you risk losing perspective.

That said, if you're looking to learn new skills and tools then there's really no better way that making your own projects. Tutorials are all well and good, but without being able to apply the techniques to your own situations and problems you are really just learning by rote and that's not that helpful. Thankfully my job for the last ten years or so has allowed me to do that every day :)

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2014 | Time Travel | Morgan's Time
2013 | Robot/Android/Cyborg | Incredibly Advanced Robotics
2012 | Fantasy Adventure | Tilting at Windmills
2011 | One Room (Quest) | The Office Quest
2010 | Musical/Dance | Professional Dancer
2009 | Musical/Dance | All's Fair
2008 | Drama | The End (Auckland Winner)
2007 | Crime | The Big Job
2006 | Action/Adventure | Three Heroes Against Terror (City Finalist)
2005 | Romance | Fruits of Passion
2004 | Action/Adventure | The Sceptre of MacGuffin (City Finalist)
2003 | Cop/Crime | Forensic Investigation Team
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MR
From: Wellington
Since: May 2012
Posts: 19

in reply to DylanReeve:

I don't entirely agree with your theory, because some people simply need more time to put together what they have in mind. I don't think that everybody is necessarily equipped to make something in a really quick turnaround, such as notoriously perfectionist film-makers like Kubrick or Malick who spend (sometimes) years in post-production. I would agree that for some people spending too much time in post can kill your film, but it really comes down to the approach that best suits the individual.

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Mini Moose
Since: May 2012
Posts: 3

This was my first V48, and although I was the entrant I entered under another team name (who competed last year) and let him do most of the "visionary" kind of stuff. Was great fun to be a part of (even if the final product was a bit unusual!), and hopefully will give me the confidence to do entirely my own thing next year.

In terms of projects through the year I'd really love to get a bit done, just for some practice. The Saturday morning of the competition was the about the first time I'd hit record on anything but my cellphone; the Saturday night the first time I'd played with an editing programme; and so on - so I plan to sit down once a month and do something for an afternoon, even if it's just editing some stock footage for practice. At least it would mean not dredging up year-old skills on the day! :P

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Peter Haynes
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 88

in reply to CraigWB:

Tell him to lock in a finals spot, then get back to you.

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48hrs 2003 - 'Rockqueste' (Fantasy)
48hrs 2004 - 'Flashman' (Musical)
48hrs 2005 - 'Jungle Fever' (Action) Audience fave, Regional finals, Peter Jackson Wildcard
Moonlight shorts 2006 - 'Two Worlds' (Finalist)
48hrs 2006 - 'Phairytale' (Fairytale) Audience fave, Regional finals, Best Actress
48hrs 2007 - 'Cowboys and Indians' (Western) Audience fave
48hrs 2008 - 'Three's a Crowd' (Romance)
48hrs 2009 - 'The Loneliest Vampire' (Musical) Audience fave, Regional Finals, Best score
48hrs 2010 - 'Two Timer' (Time Travel) Audience fave, Regional Finals
48scs 2011 - 'The Human Centi-V'
48hrs 2011 - 'Stuck in the Mini with you' (National Winner: Best Road Movie)
ABC's of Death - 'T is for Talk' - 2nd Place internationally
48hrs 2012 - 'Blackout' (Found Footage) Regional Finals
MMHM 2013 - 'Penance' - Final 6
48hrs 2014 - 'Flicker' (Time Travel) Audience fave, Regional Finals

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CraigWB
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 268

in reply to MR:

My response is getting away from the discussion a little but Kubrick wasn't known for his endless post production times it was his pre production and thorough research he was known for which sometimes didn't even lead too a film being made his Nepolean film for example or the Holocaust film he wanted to do before he herd that Spielberg was doing Shindler's List.

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2014 Race Against the Clock : EIGHT POINT FIVE
2013 Musical : Wolfgang
2012 Horror : The Unrested Soul
2011 One Room (Horror) : Operator -- Audience favourite
2010 Twin Movie : Secrets in Dowsing
2009 M Night Big Twist Film : The Unfinished
2008 Drama : Breakfast at Four
2007 War : Purple Heart
Sakura Productions
2006 Musical : Sardines
2005 Mockumentary : Smuggling for Dummies DQ'ed
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MR
From: Wellington
Since: May 2012
Posts: 19

in reply to CraigWB:

I know that he is famous for the amount of time spent in pre-production and production, but from the documentaries I have watched it seems like he spent a lot of time in post-production as well.

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2013 - Parasite - Robot/Cybord/Android movie
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2010 - Sidney Manson saved my life - Biopic
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